"But I Don't Have Enough Money!"

**Riverkilt** · 13th March 09, 12:05 PM

I have owned 12 USK Kilts semi-trads including a U.S. Army tartan.

I have owned 11 hand sewn wool kilts.

There IS a difference....apples/oranges - roses/orchids all nice but a definate difference

**Nick the DSM** · 13th March 09, 12:23 PM

One must do what one can.

In my perspective, I'm not getting a tank because right now it is too expensive, I'm still growing(a little), and also some classes I have in school might not be good ex: auto tech.

**Scotus** · 13th March 09, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Friday

I have a USA Kilts US Army tartan semi-traditional. I would put the quality of work in this kilt against any hand sewn tank. It is not hand sewn but the craftsman(woman)ship is very high.

People, continuing to bring up your defense of non-traditional kilts in the Traditional Kilts section of the forum is taking us down a rabbit hole. This is not what the topic is about. The discussion was supposed to be about saving for a traditional kilt rather than buying a PV or Utilikilt, or at least using that as an excuse for not buying a traditional kilt. I hear this in the forum a lot. If you want to wear these, go ahead. There are other sections in this forum where you can post on how great they are; this isn't one of them.

Originally Posted by Friday

Lets not degrade the quality of many of the non-traditional kilts by calling them cheap.

By "cheap," I merely meant inexpensive.

**Monkey@Arms** · 13th March 09, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Scotus

People, continuing to bring up your defense of non-traditional kilts in the Traditional Kilts section of the forum is taking us down a rabbit hole. This is not what the topic is about. The discussion was supposed to be about saving for a traditional kilt rather than buying a PV or Utilikilt, or at least using that as an excuse for not buying a traditional kilt. I hear this in the forum a lot. If you want to wear these, go ahead. There are other sections in this forum where you can post on how great they are; this isn't one of them.

By "cheap," I merely meant inexpensive.

Scotus,

Perhaps part of the problem here is not everyone having the same definition of "traditional." To some a USAK semi-trad meets their definition of traditional kilt, in as much its in the traditional style: e.g. 8 yard, three buckle, tartan, traditional cut, made to measure, etc. To others it does not, because its machine sewn, and not made of wool.

Your certainly entitled to your definition, but I suspect part of the crossed communication here is that not everyone sees these things the same way.

Best regards,

Jake

**Friday** · 13th March 09, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Scotus

By "cheap," I merely meant inexpensive.

In the post starting this thread it was said that "buying cheaper, less quality kilts" in this statement it appears the cheap and lower quality were related. I must have misunderstood this statement.

I'm sorry that I misunderstood what was written.

**Highland Logan** · 13th March 09, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Friday

In the post starting this thread it was said that "buying cheaper, less quality kilts" in this statement it appears the cheap and lower quality were related. I must have misunderstood this statement.

I'm sorry that I misunderstood what was written.

Come on now Friday, please use the quote for the whole sentence.

Originally Posted by Scotus

This phrase is often used by people as an excuse for buying cheaper, less quality kilts; that is, not a traditional, 16 oz, eight yard kilt.

It may not be the Bairds prose.. but it's plain it see Scotus' intent. And intent is always to most important part of the conversation.

Frank

**JSFMACLJR** · 13th March 09, 01:55 PM

Folks,

This is the TRADITIONAL KILTS Discussion Area. Respect that, please. I don't go around butting my nose into the places where utilikilts and other non-traditionals are discussed. Please respect the intentions of Scotus who began this very relevent discussion.

**Scotus** · 13th March 09, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

Please respect the intentions of Scotus who began this very relevent discussion.

Thank you, Sandford. I meant this to be a discussion on making a traditional kilt a priority in your budget; that is, that with some planning it can be done. I'm sorry that there are those who felt my primary purpose was to insult the choices of others in this forum. This is why I posted in the Traditional Kilts section rather than in the general discussion area.

This is rather about not buying those other kilts if you really want to save for a traditional one. People often use the excuse that a traditional kilt is too expensive. I'm saying that this is often just an excuse, and one should save their money, rather than buying those other kilts, if it's a priority.

**Friday** · 13th March 09, 02:16 PM

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**Scotus** · 13th March 09, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Friday

In the post starting this thread it was said that "buying cheaper, less quality kilts" in this statement it appears the cheap and lower quality were related. I must have misunderstood this statement.

No, you only misunderstood "cheaper," as the "less quality" is another issue. I didn't mean that all of these other kilts are less quality. I'm sure some of these garments are made well enough for what they are. Rather, many of the cheaper kilts are of less quality than what I gave as a definition in my first post. If you look at a PV kilt, or a machine sewn kilt, you can absolutely tell a difference in quality. So, yes, cheaper and lower quality are more often than not related.

So... save your pennies, resist the temptation to buy a cheaper kilt, if that's not what you really want, and buy a traditional hand sewn, wool kilt that will last a life time.

You'll be happy you did.