St George`s day

[McClef]

Todd what I said was in no way designed to decry or lessen the memory of their sacrifice.

People have fought and died under various flags throughout history but that has not prevented those flags from being changed in reaction to changed political conditions. The anomaly referred to was if there was no longer any justification for keeping St Patrick's Cross on the Union Flag because there was no longer any union with part of the Island of Ireland with the United Kingdom.

Read my post again - "It is no disrespect to those who have died in wars to change a flag, and to turn your argument around what of all the Welsh blood that has been spilt in wars? Are there any cemeteries in France that purely contain the graves of Welsh soldiers and over which the flag of Wales could currently be flown?"

Some of them died at the Somme too.

[McClef]

Green wouldn't apply, in this case. The livery colours of Wales are Gold and Red (Or and Gules), as taken from the arms of Wales, in the same way the livery colours of the United States are Red, White and Blue, as taken from the arms of the United States.

I don't believe that livery colours are used as the base for the elements of the Union Flag. The Blue and White for Scotland is taken from the colours of the Saltire for example.

[macwilkin]

Todd what I said was in no way designed to decry or lessen the memory of their sacrifice.

People have fought and died under various flags throughout history but that has not prevented those flags from being changed in reaction to changed political conditions. The anomaly referred to was if there was no longer any justification for keeping St Patrick's Cross on the Union Flag because there was no longer any union with part of the Island of Ireland with the United Kingdom.

Read my post again - "It is no disrespect to those who have died in wars to change a flag, and to turn your argument around what of all the Welsh blood that has been spilt in wars? Are there any cemeteries in France that purely contain the graves of Welsh soldiers and over which the flag of Wales could currently be flown?"

Some of them died at the Somme too.

Trefor,

Point taken. But I would argue that the Cross of St. Patrick should stay on the Union flag to remind the British of the thousands of Irish, Northern and Southern, who have served in their armed forces and gave the ultimate sacrifice, should the six counties be added to the Republic.

In the Republic today, there is a greater awareness of the Irish who fought in both World Wars -- yet no one is suggesting that they be depicted under the tricolour just because the Republic is no longer part of the United Kingdom. Witness the Canadian display of the old Red Ensign (which I personally prefer) alongside the Maple Leaf at Vimy Ridge.

Regards,

Todd

[ccga3359]

Including Hawaii, LOL! (Yes, I know it's a US state, but the Union Jack in it has nothing to do with that). Next time I hear A Nation Once Again I will be thinking of Hawaii instead of Ireland.

The Union Jack* is because James Cook 'discovered' the Sandwich Islands for king and country, nes pa?



*And yes the name Union "Jack" is an acceptable way of refering to the Union flag. Even Her Majesty calls it thusly.

[ccga3359]

Trefor,

Point taken. But I would argue that the Cross of St. Patrick should stay on the Union flag to remind the British of the thousands of Irish, Northern and Southern, who have served in their armed forces and gave the ultimate sacrifice, should the six counties be added to the Republic.

In the Republic today, there is a greater awareness of the Irish who fought in both World Wars -- yet no one is suggesting that they be depicted under the tricolour just because the Republic is no longer part of the United Kingdom. Witness the Canadian display of the old Red Ensign (which I personally prefer) alongside the Maple Leaf at Vimy Ridge.

Regards,

Todd

Todd is there not some discussion regarding the validity of St. Patricks Cross being a true representation of Ireland, that it was only adopted because it fit well into the Union flag. That there were few, if any examples of the flag prior to the 1800's

[dfmacliam]

Wikipedia has an interesting article about the history of the Union Jack and the campaign to include Wales by possibly adding a representation of the St David cross or the red dragon at the center. I am on an IPhone so I could not cut and paste the link.

[Peter C.]

There was a suggestion that the cross of St David could be added to the Union flag but I think it changes it too much. There was also a suggestion that the red dragon on a white background be added to the centre of the flag. I would like to see a green dragon added to the centre of the flag as on the following regimental colours which were used on the old flag, before the cross of St Patrick was added. Unfortunately I cannot remember which Welsh regiment these colours belonged to.




Peter

[dfmacliam]

I was not impressed with the St David version myself, but the inclusion of the red dragon did not look bad, your version is interesting since it has been used before by a Welsh unit.

[ccga3359]

Wikipedia has an interesting article about the history of the Union Jack and the campaign to include Wales by possibly adding a representation of the St David cross or the red dragon at the center. I am on an IPhone so I could not cut and paste the link.

Incorperating the Welsh Dragon:


And another concept featuring St David's cross:

[Pleater]

The Union Jack* is because James Cook 'discovered' the Sandwich Islands for king and country, nes pa?
*And yes the name Union "Jack" is an acceptable way of refering to the Union flag. Even Her Majesty calls it thusly.

When the Union flag is being worn by a ship it is flown on the jack staff - and it is termed the union jack in those circumstances.

When hoisted on a flag staff ashore it is more correctly the union flag.

Anne the Pleater