question again; kilts and inebriated women

[zeeew]

Hello all

I was at a large company function last week in Fayetteville, AR and in the evening "after work" wore my USAK casual American Heritage down to the bar scene on Dixon street. This is the first time I have been kilted at a bar scene during, what, real drunk time, I guess? Call it initiation night. Dont recall any neg comments from men, many positive from men and women actually, but there was one intoxicated female that said she didnt know it was dress night and of course proceeded unasked to attempt the kilt lift. Dont want to be in trouble with the cops or company for "exposing myself", my fault or not, so I was "covered" when an accomplice of hers got me from behind. There were 2 other attempts, first time I had to really back away and keep my hands in front of me, she was going on about how if she was in my state (not the state of drunk, the state of Utah, as I was in her state of Arkansas)
she would "try to accomodate me" or something like that, and felt it was my duty to let her do the lift. Thinking it would scare her off I finally asked her "look, what if I said if my kilt goes up, your pants go down, only fair" and she said "ok, can we trade?", so that didnt work. 2nd attempt I asked her why women slap us, but think they should just be able to lift us, and she said "not me, I wouldnt care". I know there have been guys who have done just that, lifted them after they were lifted, and got "in trouble" with the female (female because "ladies" dont do that), so I know it isnt only a "type" of female that does this. So, I am asking for suggestions from more experienced members on this topic, without being a jerk.

This was all on the sidewalk between bars, in the bars there was no trouble.
As for "the" question, many times. We are all naked under our clothes if you go far enough.

Long post, sorry.

Thanks all

Eric

[kiltedsawyer]

Eric,
Dealing with people who have had too much alcohol is always difficult and can be dangerous. I think I would simply try to get as many people as possible between someone like that and myself, even if it meant leaving. Discretion being what it is, the fun in that situation just isn't worth the things that could happen. How did it end?
Respectfully,
David

[Cynthia]

I'm so sorry you had to go through this. She wasn't a lady, you're correct... alchohol or not, she had no right to do this. I believe men should have the same rights as women do.

Sorry I have no advice to offer -- frankly, I worry about this type of behavior if it happens to my husband (I sometimes wonder if some of the spouses and girlfriends who don't like their men wearing kilts might not be because of hearing about -- at least partially -- this sort of attitude that seems to come with some folks regarding the kilt). My husband doesn't want to be kilt checked, and I certainly don't want him to be either. What two consenting adults do is one thing, but the minute someone does that to another without permission... well, it's not right for anyone. Male or female.

Sorry I couldn't offer any better advice except to say that there ARE ladies out there who don't ask private questions or attempt to find out without permission.

Best wishes.

[Kilted Jeeper]

I'm sorry you had to go through this. I have only been in a similar situation 1x and after the lady attepted the first time I simply moved to the other side of the bar away from her. Once I was out of her sight she forgot about me I guess.

I hope this one negative experience doesn't make you think twice about going out kilted in the future.

:cheers:

[Riverkilt]

Drunk, drunk, drunk....makes perfect sense to her. Seems like she liked you and that was the best she could do for an opening line.

Seems, drunk or sober, women are much more likely to approach us when we're kilted. I've never had the friendly comments when wearing slacks..."Nice pants!" Just doesn't happen. No woman has ever asked if I'm wearing underwear when I have jeans on.

My one kilt check was at a booze infested venue - Pride in the Pines in Flagstaff. A very drunk (could hardly stand) college-age gay kid gave it a shot. I just turned away from it and he was too blitzed to do anything but stagger off.

From what I've read on this board over the years the most likely spot we're gonna get comments or kilt checked is in a venue where the booze is flowing.

Ron

[Coinneach]

Other than firmly telling her "the answer is NO!" about the only other thing is to find the bouncer and let him know about the problem. I think with as persistent as she was being, you need to be prepared to call the police to file assault charges. It's not pretty, but she was definitely trying to violate you...in public, no less.

In my experience this is a rare event. Most people are respectful.

[beloitpiper]

Don't try to reason with her or tip-toe around the problem with cutesy sayings or counter-questions. Use a forceful "NO" and then embarrass her in front of her friends by accusations and telling her (in a loud voice) how inappropriate it is. Until then, they think it's a game. Only by making the "game" no longer fun will they stop.

[McFarkus]

I had one young lady (who didn't appear drunk) be very insistent. When I tried to deflect the question by saying "I would never ask you what you're wearing," she responded by unzipping her jeans and saying, "a thong, see!" I held my ground and preserved the mystery, but it was a close call.

[ForresterModern]

Lucky enough myself to not have that kind of encounter with an overly inebriated femme in a public place. Not likely to happen either, as my wife tends to hang around with me wherever I go socially, and she runs a mean interference when anything with two X chromosomes shows any interest at all in finding our more about "the kilt" or the kilt wearer.

Hope it is the last time you run into that uncomfortable situation.

[zeeew]

Hello all

there was one intoxicated female that said she didnt know it was dress night and of course proceeded unasked to attempt the kilt lift. Dont want to be in trouble with the cops or company for "exposing myself", my fault or not, so I was "covered" when an accomplice of hers got me from behind.
Eric

The above one was on a fairly empty side street that had a popular bar at the end, off the main.

The more aggressive one was on the main, quite a few people. When I actually finally said "ok thats enough" and then asked her the fairness question, there was no more trouble, though she seemed a little disappointed.

All attempts were on the sidewalk, the bars were no trouble. Also though surrounded by people I was alone each time, still looking for the bar where I was meeting friends. Didnt really think of that til now.