question again; kilts and inebriated women

**Spartan** · 8th June 09, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by beloitpiper

Don't try to reason with her or tip-toe around the problem with cutesy sayings or counter-questions. Use a forceful "NO" and then embarrass her in front of her friends by accusations and telling her (in a loud voice) how inappropriate it is. Until then, they think it's a game. Only by making the "game" no longer fun will they stop.

Agree. When I have encountered this, I decided not to give the cute responses, as I was concerned that they would take me up on it. There is a point with drunks that it ceases to be funny and crosses the boundary of sexual harassment which would get a man thrown out, or charges filed.

**Colonel MacNeal** · 8th June 09, 09:03 AM

I've frequently seen such behavior from intoxicated women, that if the tables were turned, would get a man decked or land him a night in jail.

Why do women get differential treatment? A holdover from outdated notions of the "weaker sex." Women weaker? Hell no!

As a gentleman, I believe in treating ladies properly - but these were not ladies!

**Dardanelles** · 8th June 09, 09:09 AM

Just say "sorry mam i am a law enforcement officer, we can't have that here".
But if she says "so am i". Then get her to show some id.
If that does not work, then er...hum...er...!

**GMan** · 8th June 09, 09:13 AM

I understand what you are saying, and some great wisdom is here. I would tell her she is nice and everything like that, then tell her that she is NOT my type, you prefer __________ instead of whatever hair color is.

**Rex_Tremende** · 8th June 09, 09:14 AM

Was she an employee of the same company that employs you? All the other stuff people have said so far is relevant, but I would think even at after hours events where employees are gathered, office decorum and code of conduct still apply. In this situation, that would rank first in governing anyone's behavior, in my world (even at non-company events).

Regards,
Rex.

**zeeew** · 8th June 09, 09:20 AM

My first thought was I didnt want to appear a jerk; I feel I am respectful of others individualism as long as they dont try to violate me, but as stated above, cutesy return comments didnt cut it. The firm "that's enough" did work, I guess I didnt expect to have to do that.
Guess I will just have to wear the kilt more, get more comfortable in it and being around people. Probly had a kilt on maybe 20-25 times total so far, but it is quite a bit more comfy than pants, and I get more relaxed every time it gets worn. Hey, I got through the "what do you do with your hands" stage a couple times ago!

I dont know if the aggressive one was an employee, but at least 1 of the others was. Yes the company did stress that every year it seems at least one employee is jobless after the event because of a "bad decision".

Hey River, wore the USAK casual on a 3 day hike to Mule Canyon a few weeks ago, nice country down your way.

Thanks all, I'm off to the store and post office, kilted.

Eric

**vmac3205** · 8th June 09, 09:21 AM

In my 20+ years of dealing with all kinds of drunks, the absolute, no holes barred worst to deal with are middle class females. You can't argue with idiots. There is no sense trying to reason with them. Just separate yourself from the individual and try to get on with your evening. It makes me ashamed to be a middle class female, and has certainly curbed any desire to ever get drunk.

**Dan R Porter** · 8th June 09, 09:32 AM

Just my opinion, but if there are people like this in the pub, and they have not be cut off or politely asked to leave, it is no place for me. I would have escorted myself to the taxi and went somewhere else.

**thescot** · 8th June 09, 09:35 AM

By all means, speak to the management! Do not allow another customer to harrass you in any way--male or female--and about anything, not just your kilt.

Any respectable establishment will require better behavior from its patrons, espeically when there's a new customer aboard. And in an instance like this, enlist the help of other females. I find that they will usually carry the standard quite well.

**thescot** · 8th June 09, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Colonel MacNeal

I've frequently seen such behavior from intoxicated women, that if the tables were turned, would get a man decked or land him a night in jail.

Why do women get differential treatment? A holdover from outdated notions of the "weaker sex." Women weaker? Hell no!

As a gentleman, I believe in treating ladies properly - but these were not ladies!

Dang, I missed this young lad's idea. That's a really good one!

Think I'll get a badge that says something like "Kilt Police" and try keeping it handy. If she's a cop--and not too ugly--I may let her take me into custody.