Irish wore kilts?

[macwilkin]

I prefer Yank to "Jerk" another term that could be used for pulling sharply on a piece of rope. The old song "Over There" with the line "The Yanks are coming, the Yanks are coming" never bothered me. Now those from the South who also fought and lost lives in WWII might take offense.

I think in general most of us prefer American or British Ex-Patriots :-)

My grandfather, a native of Iowa, was known to correct people who referred to him a "Yankee" by saying, "No, I'm a Midwesterner -- Yankees live in New England." He would also refer to himself as a "Hawkeye", which of course is Iowa's nickname.

I personally prefer the term "Mudsill", a once perjorative term used by a Senator from South Carolina before the War to deride the "greasy mechanics and farmers" of the North. Those same farmers and mechanics made the term their own when they enlisted in 1861, and Northern soldiers from "The West" were called Mudsills.

Regards,

Todd

[sathor]

Basically I see this all as a history of the marketing of the kilt. It can be broken down into three stages:

1) The introduction of the Highland kilt to the Scottish Lowlands. (early to mid 19th Century)
2) The introduction of the now pan-Scottish kilt to Ireland (early 20th Century)
3) The introduction of tartan Celtic-themed kilts to the world (late 20th Century.)

In all, I would say it is a good example of the fine enterprising skills of Scottish weavers and kilt makers!

You missed the 4th stage, the modern non-trad kilts, such as Utilikilts and so fourth.

[Woodsheal]

Logically, one would assume the Irish introduced Celtic culture to Scotland, rather than the reverse. The indiginous people of Scotland were the Picts, not Celts. The Celts migrated to Scotland from Ireland....Game, set, match!

A common misconception is revealed here. The "Celts" were not an ethnic group, but rather diverse European groups who adopted and shared the Celtic family of languages and culture. The Picts spoke a p-Celtic language like the Britons to their south, and so were indeed "Celts." The Scots who came from Ireland were also "Celts", but spoke q-Celtic (Gaelic). The relationship between the Scotti and the Picti (Roman terms, not their own!) was between two quite similar "Celtic" populations....

[dfmacliam]

A common misconception is revealed here. The "Celts" were not an ethnic group, but rather diverse European groups who adopted and shared the Celtic family of languages and culture. The Picts spoke a p-Celtic language like the Britons to their south, and so were indeed "Celts." The Scots who came from Ireland were also "Celts", but spoke q-Celtic (Gaelic). The relationship between the Scotti and the Picti (Roman terms, not their own!) was between two quite similar "Celtic" populations....

I agree here... Celts were found in the areas of France, Belgium, Switzerland, North Central Spain, Northern Italy, Great Britian, Ireland, and into Asia Minor. A diverse group of people whose commonality was a simularity in Language and Culture.The Celts were first mentioned by the Greeks in 517 BC, but they can be traced to possible origins in Northern Germany and the Netherlands in or about 1200 BC.


Today, the term 'Celtic' is generally used to describe the languages and respective cultures of Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, the Isle of Man and Brittany, also known as the Six Celtic Nations. These are the regions where four Celtic languages are still spoken to some extent as mother tongues: Irish Gaelic, Scottish Gaelic, Welsh, and Breton plus two recent revivals, Cornish (one of the Brythonic languages) and Manx (one of the Goidelic languages). There are also attempts to revive the Cumbric language (a Brythonic language from Northwest England and Southwest Scotland). 'Celtic' is also sometimes used to describe regions of Continental Europe that have Celtic heritage, but where no Celtic language has survived; these areas include the western Iberian Peninsula, i.e. Portugal, and north-central Spain (Galicia, Asturias, Cantabria, Castile and León, Extremadura), and to a lesser degree, France. (see Modern Celts) ( this information is borrowed from Wikipedia)

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Interestingly, there still appears to be a significant Roman Catholic population in Scotland with an estimated 800,00 members representing approximately 16 % of Scotland's total population. Numerically, Roman Catholicism is the 2nd most practiced religion in Scotland.

This is due, by and large, to the influx of Irish who settled in Scotland (primarily in areas in and around Glasgow) in the 19th and 20th centuries. At this same time large numbers of Italians also arrived in Scotland, thus increasing the numbers (today) of Scottish Roman Catholics.

[macwilkin]

Certain of us from below the Mason-Dixon line would take offense at being called Yanks.

Just an OT point: unless you live in Maryland or Delaware, you do not live south of the Mason-Dixon Line. As I tell my Civil War classes, the Mason-Dixon line has nothing to with the Civil War, but was a boundary-dispute between the colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania in the 1760s.

Regards,

Todd

[Smayniac]

When and where have they (the Pakistani kiltmakers) made these claims? Is it on the internet? Do they mention this on their websites? You keep saying that they make these claims, but all we have is you making claims for them. Do you know these people, have they told you this in person, over the phone or through email?

Frank

slightly off topic, but here goes: There used to be a number of wineries in the Santa Clara Valley, three of them claimed to have been founded in (I believe) 1831, Mirrasou, Almaden and Paul Masson. A bit of research will reveal that, at best, Paul Masson was toddling about sipping French wine in 1831. In the days before the internet, the claims were based on winemakers marrying into the Mirrasou family and taking the date along with them.
Bob

[gilmore]

Just an OT point: unless you live in Maryland or Delaware, you do not live south of the Mason-Dixon Line. As I tell my Civil War classes, the Mason-Dixon line has nothing to with the Civil War, but was a boundary-dispute between the colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania in the 1760s.

Regards,

Todd

I am in Georgia. Of course I live south of the Mason-Dixon line. I also live south of New York City, Chicago, Canada, Ohio, etc.

[dfmacliam]

Lets be honest.. no matter where an Army goes.. they get local labor to help in the service aspects of a unit... a regimental kiltmaker would have hired locals to help sew these kilts up.. uniforms were damaged and had to be replaced.. and in the past.. you could not just send back to Scotland for a kilt for a private.. economics.. just because you do not have something to prove it happened does not mean it did not happen... Was the Highland Regiments present in that area?.. yes without a doubt.. then why is it impossible for these laborers expand on their knowledge?.. it really was not all that long ago since the British left that area..

[Jock Scot]

do you mean yankee or wanker?

I would use the term "Yank" to describe a person from the USA and hope and assume that I am not causing offence to anyone, not "Yankee" as I think , perhaps wrongly, that may have insulting historical connotations to parts of the USA.

As to the last word you suggest, I would never ever use it.