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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    Well, for my money, the jacket looks too long in the body, as does the waistcoat. Rather than wrong, I'd say it looks awkward, as though it was assembled for a photo shoot rather than being a photograph of a RROS officer in a properly fitting mess dress uniform. The camera angle (shooting down) doesn't help, either.

    (Just a thought, but could this have been photo shopped?)
    I'm not sure.
    I thought all of the sizing, mix of colour and just generally the various garments worn just don't look right together at all.

    By the way here's a prime example of "it should fit; but he's got it too far down"

    I'll let others further criticise the outfit if they wish ;)


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    who showed these guys how to tie ghillie brogues?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul. View Post
    By the way here's a prime example of "it should fit; but he's got it too far down"
    Three quick observations:

    (1) The top of the kilt should be about even with the middle button of the waistcoat.

    (2) If wearing a waistcoat, don't wear a belt. If you need a truss, wear it under you kilt, don't use a kilt belt as a substitute.
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    (3) If your kilt is too long it will look as though you are wearing woolly tights rather than kilt hose. Keep the top of your hose at least an inch below the bottom of your knee-cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul. View Post


    I'll let others further criticise the outfit if they wish ;)

    One more thing...he needs a nice box to stand on.

    (I would also say his sleeve is a bit too long.)
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    I always wear my trousers on my hip, but I also always wear my kilt so that the rise starts just above the navel, IOW the drop is from the top of the navel. I would prefer the kilt to finish just above my knee, but they tend not to, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, if they are off the peg, they will be a little long, because my legs are a little short. Secondly, if they are made to measure, or at least custom length, I have to compromise between getting the front as short as I want and having the back too short. The best I can seem to do without having it too short at the back seems to be for it to come to the top of the knee, whereas I might wear it an inch or two above if I wasn't concerned the back would be too short. I suspect that the only way to overcome that is to be measured in person by the kiltmaker, instead of giving my measurements over the Internet!

    As for low jeans, I never have a problem with showing my underwear when wearing low cut jeans. They key is to wear brief enough underwear, which I suppose is not in style, but never mind. Most of those who are flashing their underwear are doing it on purpose, and this fashion apparently originated with 'gangstas' trying to look like people who had been arrested and had their belts confiscated so they couldn't hang themselves in the cells. I have no wish to emulate some kind of jailbird.

    The people who wear long shorts made me laugh. Personally, I wouldn't be seen dead in shorts that finish below the knee. I like my shorts to be short. You see some people online commenting that short shorts are only for women, but that's only the current fashion trend, and in the long run fashions never last that long. I can remember making fun of old pictures of soccer players from the thirties because they wore their shorts below the knee, which we considered hopelessly old fashionned in the '70s, for example. These fashions change, and I am too old to care what is in, I'm afraid. I just like what I like. I can understand why some feel that strongly about kilts that are that long, even if I am less concerned myself.

    As for long kilts being in style with youths, I think that some of the punk/goth kilts that I have seen are cut long because they have pinch pleats. That is one style of pleat you won't see much discussion of on this board, because it gives the appearance of a pleated garment without necessarily giving you enough material to drape between the knees, hence knee length isn't enough to maintain modesty on a man in a pinch pleated punk kilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavebear58 View Post
    Take a look at these two guys... I realise that they are wearing aprons, but I guess the kilts were somewhere close. I expect that the manufacturers didn't offer THAT many variations by the time WW1 was in full throw.

    At first I thought it was just a shadow, but if you look close at the chap on the left you can just see the lower edge of his kilt peeking out all along the lower edge of his apron.
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    My own preference and perception: Top to middle knee.
    Otherwise it looks like a ride-down, or a misfit, or a modesty discomfort (kilt long, hose high).

    Where are those clips from the movie "Tunes of Glory"...?
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    My apologies – this should be in casual and contemporary.
    A little low:


    Both Good (length):
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavebear58 View Post
    Since we're on the 'traditional' theme, I think it is also traditional for women who are not virgins to wear cream rather than white. I realise that this is relatively rare these days, but I do still get a few brides who smile ruefully and say "I shalln't be wearing white...". In this case, I am wondering if the young lady concerned doesn't have a slight 'tummy'? If so, then the colour of her dress is definitely wrong - traditionally speaking!

    Cheers, Graham.
    That's in very poor taste, Graham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavebear58 View Post
    Since we're on the 'traditional' theme, I think it is also traditional for women who are not virgins to wear cream rather than white. I realise that this is relatively rare these days, but I do still get a few brides who smile ruefully and say "I shalln't be wearing white...". In this case, I am wondering if the young lady concerned doesn't have a slight 'tummy'? If so, then the colour of her dress is definitely wrong - traditionally speaking!

    Cheers, Graham.
    I sort of agree because of the value of tradition but remember this is just Western European (and obviously now American) tradition and to be honest just about nothing is traditional these days. Just think about how most grooms wear their kilt!
    I believe I will be attending a white wedding next month. It doesn't happen often these days but the couple seem to have done everything in the traditional order. i.e. they already have the keys to their new house but they're waiting until after the wedding to move in. I also know my cousin is very devout to her religion.
    Ivory is also a popular dress colour by the way.
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