My garden/yard, is really quite small, so I let my neighbors grow the camellias. The biggest problem is that the ancestors of some roses are from Persia, and we do not have a desert climate here. So blackspot is a major problem. But I think the effort worth it. Here in the sandhills there is a joke: You know it is August when you see the robbins using hot-holders to pull the worms out of the ground.