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[Lallans]

I want to jump in and speak in defense of Wikipedia. First of all, they are the number one source of information on matters that most other information resources consider themselves too good for- TV programming being a minor but typical example- I'll wager one will find little on one's more minor-celebrity ancestors elsewhere. And true, anyone can alter most Wiki things and honest and dishonest errors can and do occur but I have actually seen more on the 'B' encyclopedia's web site and others- in fact those of us that use such resources for work purposes find the non-W sites laughable much of the time and no longer care to pay for them. So sure, check Wiki entries but they deserve respect for the very major internet resource they are!

Someday I may find myself running down the street and yelling, in the same manner the disturbed lady did for Brittany Spears, "LEAVE WIKI ALONE!"

[macwilkin]

I want to jump in and speak in defense of Wikipedia. First of all, they are the number one source of information on matters that most other information resources consider themselves too good for- TV programming being a minor but typical example- I'll wager one will find little on one's more minor-celebrity ancestors elsewhere. And true, anyone can alter most Wiki things and honest and dishonest errors can and do occur but I have actually seen more on the 'B' encyclopedia's web site and others- in fact those of us that use such resources for work purposes find the non-W sites laughable much of the time and no longer care to pay for them. So sure, check Wiki entries but they deserve respect for the very major internet resource they are!

Someday I may find myself running down the street and yelling, in the same manner the disturbed lady did for Brittany Spears, "LEAVE WIKI ALONE!"

As a librarian and a college instructor, I loathe Wikipedia because it (and google, for that matter) has become a research "crutch" for many students who don't want to crack a book or get their hands "dirty" researching.

We have a great poster in our library entitled "10 Reasons Why a Library is Better than the Internet", which is similar to the one found on this web page:

http://www.brcc.edu/library/10%20rea...20internet.htm

And yes, I know -- the irony of that list being on a web page!

While I don't necessarily believe Wikipedia is the Devil, it certainly is the lazy way to research. I tell my students that if they must use it, don't cite it -- see what sources may be listed on the article, and use them, provided they'r reliable.

Of course, the old Cold War mantra of "Trust, but verify" should apply to ANY source.

Regards,

Todd

[billmcc]

Robert,

Dervorguilla, a daughter of Alan of Galloway, is mentioned in the book "The hereditary sheriffs of Galloway". One entry can be found on page 85 (last paragraph).

Info about her father, Alan of Galloway, and her grandfather, Roland of Galloway, can be found on pages 65-80 in the same book.

You can download a scanned copy of the book here: http://www.archive.org/search.php?qu...-%20History%22

The book is divided into 2 volumes, so you may want to download both files. The info I mentioned can be found in volume 1.

It appears we have some of the same ancestors.

[Ancienne Alliance]

Robert,

Dervorguilla, a daughter of Alan of Galloway, is mentioned in the book "The hereditary sheriffs of Galloway". One entry can be found on page 85 (last paragraph).

Info about her father, Alan of Galloway, and her grandfather, Roland of Galloway, can be found on pages 65-80 in the same book.

You can download a scanned copy of the book here: http://www.archive.org/search.php?qu...-%20History%22

The book is divided into 2 volumes, so you may want to download both files. The info I mentioned can be found in volume 1.

It appears we have some of the same ancestors.

Dear cousin,

Thank you, this is very useful and is exactly what I was looking for.

Lady Devorguilla's daughter Ada married William Lindsay...

hmmm... what a gorgeous tartan....Lindsay...


Best,

Robert

[billmcc]

Galloway Green Muted by the House of Edgar isn't bad either.
See here: http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...no-93-a-42757/

[Ancienne Alliance]

Galloway Green Muted by the House of Edgar is bad either.
See here: http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...no-93-a-42757/

Absolutely gorgeous !

[Ancienne Alliance]

Robert,

Dervorguilla, a daughter of Alan of Galloway, is mentioned in the book "The hereditary sheriffs of Galloway". One entry can be found on page 85 (last paragraph).

Info about her father, Alan of Galloway, and her grandfather, Roland of Galloway, can be found on pages 65-80 in the same book.

You can download a scanned copy of the book here: http://www.archive.org/search.php?qu...-%20History%22

The book is divided into 2 volumes, so you may want to download both files. The info I mentioned can be found in volume 1.

It appears we have some of the same ancestors.

here is a branch or two of our family tree;





Best,

Robert

[billmcc]

Cousin Robert,

Here is a little more information you may find interesting.

Roland of Galloway was also known as Roland MacUchtraigh, Lochlann MacUchtraigh and Lochlann of Galloway.

Thomas of Galloway (Roland's brother) was also know as Thomas MacUchtraigh.

Here are a couple of websites to visit:
http://thepeerage.com/p10249.htm#i102486
http://armidalesoftware.com/issue/fu..._192_main.html

[starbkjrus]

Robert,

I don't know if this would help with what you need but here is an interesting story about Lady Devorgilla on the Undiscovered Scotland website (Lady Devorgilla of Galloway has her own feature page) . Hope you enjoy!

http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.u...evorgilla.html

[billmcc]

Roland of Galloway was also known as Roland MacUchtraigh, Lochlann MacUchtraigh and Lochlann of Galloway.

Thomas of Galloway (Roland's brother) was also know as Thomas MacUchtraigh.

One source that identifies Roland and Thomas by their last name, MacUchtraigh, (instead of title) is "The Annals of Loch Ce" (A chronicle of Irish affairs from A.D. 1014 to A.D. 1590) dated 1871.

A scanned version of this book can be downloaded free at: http://books.google.com/books?q=edit...d=dx_vAAAAMAAJ
There are two volumes to this book, so be sure to download both files. The index for both volumes is in the second volume.

Roland is only mentioned once, but there are 4 different entries listing some of the exploits of Thomas in Ireland.