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14th April 10, 10:47 AM
#11
Folks,
As I am the only staff member currently on-line right now, and because this thread has been reported, consider this a "shot across the bow".
If you wish to remember a former US President then fine.
But please keep the politics, on any side, off the forum.
There seems to be a rash of threads over the past few days attempting to honor a person or historical event that are, by their nature, open to tension. Some of those threads have contained good discussion - for another forum.
As liberal as we would like to be with discussion not related to the kilt please remember that this is a kilt forum.
If you wish to discuss North/South issues (American or Scottish) please take them to a forum where that is the topic of discussion.
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14th April 10, 05:20 PM
#12
Certainly a very complex man, (even though it's often attempted to portray him as "simple") in an exceedingly complex time.
I always mention to folks (when out of charactor as a "sodjier" of the King) that thier (future) Mr. Lincoln would be in very much the same bind that our Good King George is at this very moment... That is, attempting to maintain British (or Congressional) Consititutional Goverment, while also maintaining the Nation's "Union"!
Both Mr. Lincoln and our Good "Farmer" George (God Bless His Soul), had VERY similar vexations!
It's interesting to wonder what would have happed had King George been more in control of his emotions (not having the curse of his disease that tormented him to death) in his quest to maintain the Constitutional Government of Britain, and, equally, if Mr. Lincoln had lived to direct his compassionate intellect toward the healing of our own breach in the unpleasentness between North and South.
Jim aka kiltiemon
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14th April 10, 05:23 PM
#13
Opps!
Sorry, Steve...
I was posting as you were giving your edict.
Jim aka kiltiemon
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14th April 10, 05:31 PM
#14
WELL SAID, JIM!
That post is basically how I lecture on the Revolution in my classes.
T.
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14th April 10, 05:49 PM
#15
So would it be appropriate to wear a kilt and a stove-pipe hat? And as a follow-up question how large of a piece of driftwood should I attach to the hat?
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14th April 10, 06:37 PM
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"So would it be appropriate to wear a kilt and a stove-pipe hat? And as a follow-up question how large of a piece of driftwood should I attach to the hat? "
Well, since the proscription against the plaide was lifted PRIOR to the 1860's it would be appropriate to assume (and fun to document) that there might have, very well, been demonstrations of exhaultation re: "Tartan Day" in Mr. Lincoln's time!!!
IIRC, there was a reenactment commemerating the Revolutionary War sometime in the 1790's and I've seen actual video of "Pickett's Charge" of (what we RevWar people refer to as the "Silly War") reenacted by actual participants in the original "Charge", hobbeling over the bush and briar with thier crutches and embracing one another as "survivors"!
Somehow, just plain Getting through it all "with your "Goolies" still attached" seems to Trump provencial idologies after all is said and done.
Makes us wonder what all the fuss was in the first place!
Jim aka kiltiemon ("The King's Law Goes with the King's Muskets" (quote from C.B. DeMille's "Unconquored"...) and cause for my family to be in the area of Mansker's Station (Nashville) by the late 1700's!!!)
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14th April 10, 07:30 PM
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Trying to put this in a somewhat "Scottish", if not kilted, context, following his election Lincoln made his way to Washington by train. En route news reached the President-elect that a plot had been uncovered to assassinate him when the train reached Baltimore. To safeguard Lincoln he was wrapped in a plaid shawl, his characteristic stovepipe hat replaced by a "Scotch bonnet". Later, those opposed to Lincoln and his policies often caricatured the president wearing a bonnet and wrapped in a shawl.
Was Lincoln great? Of course he was. Otherwise, why would they have named a toy after him?
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14th April 10, 10:39 PM
#18
Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
Trying to put this in a somewhat "Scottish", if not kilted, context, following his election Lincoln made his way to Washington by train. En route news reached the President-elect that a plot had been uncovered to assassinate him when the train reached Baltimore. To safeguard Lincoln he was wrapped in a plaid shawl, his characteristic stovepipe hat replaced by a "Scotch bonnet". Later, those opposed to Lincoln and his policies often caricatured the president wearing a bonnet and wrapped in a shawl.
Political cartoonists of that time had a field day with this. I have a drawing of Lincoln in a kilt that was used to ridicule his sneaking into Washington. In fact Lincoln had ignored most of the threats upon his life and kidnapping up to this time. It was only after his visit to the state capital in Harrisburg, PA that he decided to go into Washington under cover and travel seperately from his family. For a while I used this kilted Lincoln cartoon as my avatar -remember?
I am a huge Lincoln admirer and celebrated the 200th anniversery of his birth last year by attending lectures and buying books and special publications. It was also Charles Darwin's birthday. Amazingly they were both born on the same day -February 12, 1809! Again, Darwin, a scientist I very much admired. 2009 was much to celebrate.
"The fun of a kilt is to walk, not to sit"
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15th April 10, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
Trying to put this in a somewhat "Scottish", if not kilted, context, following his election Lincoln made his way to Washington by train. En route news reached the President-elect that a plot had been uncovered to assassinate him when the train reached Baltimore. To safeguard Lincoln he was wrapped in a plaid shawl, his characteristic stovepipe hat replaced by a "Scotch bonnet". Later, those opposed to Lincoln and his policies often caricatured the president wearing a bonnet and wrapped in a shawl.
Was Lincoln great? Of course he was. Otherwise, why would they have named a toy after him?
Why would this have been a caricature? A President in tartan (as opposed to plaid, right?) sounds cool, better than drab black. Might this have reflected a subtle prejudice against Scottish culture (including kilts-doubtful if worn then) though? Btw, what toy?
Originally Posted by Woodsman
Political cartoonists of that time had a field day with this. I have a drawing of Lincoln in a kilt that was used to ridicule his sneaking into Washington. In fact Lincoln had ignored most of the threats upon his life and kidnapping up to this time. It was only after his visit to the state capital in Harrisburg, PA that he decided to go into Washington under cover and travel seperately from his family. For a while I used this kilted Lincoln cartoon as my avatar -remember?
A kilted Lincoln is even better! Put THAT on the penny!
Last edited by Galician; 15th April 10 at 11:24 AM.
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15th April 10, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Galician
Btw, what toy?
Lincoln Logs, of course!
--dbh
When given a choice, most people will choose.
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