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    Quote Originally Posted by McClef View Post
    what other Scot has their birthday celebrated around the globe every year?
    Sir Walter Scott - at least among some of the Clan Scott diaspora.


    Any one of the aforementioned individuals would be difficult to choose from. And there are many, many others, all equally important/significant/"great".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whidbey78 View Post
    Andrew Carnegie popped into my mind right off. He revolutionized industry, especially in North America.
    I think James Watt deserves a lot of the credit for revolutionizing modern industry perhaps even more so than Carnegie. Andrew Carnegie was an amazing man though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian K View Post
    I understand, but does that make him the greatest or merely the most famous? While Burns is second to none in terms of creating and celebrating Scottish identity, I would suggest that Smith and Bell, for example, have had much more influence and impact worldwide.
    Because Burns still speaks to us. He is one of us -- a true "citizen of the world" who still appeals with works regarding universi themes of love and liberty.

    He inspired Abraham Lincoln & countless others. We still sing his songs.

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    Hard to say.

    My first choice would be Burns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan H View Post
    Out here in California, John Muir casts a pretty long shadow. Without John Muir, there probably would be no United States National Park System, though it must be said that Gifford Pinchot was also very important in making that come about, and the two men had very different ideas about what the National Parks and Wildernesses should be about.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Muir
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    Well, I don't see so many Ladies being nominated here.

    So I would suggest: Dame Devorguilla of Galloway.


    Best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian K View Post
    I understand, but does that make him the greatest or merely the most famous? While Burns is second to none in terms of creating and celebrating Scottish identity, I would suggest that Smith and Bell, for example, have had much more influence and impact worldwide.
    I agree wholeheartedly with your first and last sentence but Burns is second to none in terms of creating and celebrating Scottish identity? I would have to disagree. Far more influential in developing and promoting a pan-Scottish identity was Sir Walter Scott without whom tartan, and thereby clan associations etc would probably not have survived into the last century let alone this one.

    Oh, and no-one seems to have remembered Sir Alexander Fleming and penicillin. Then there's Napier - Logerithms; Dunlop - Pnumatic Tyre; RL Stevenson - Kidnapped etc; Tar McAdam - Bitumen etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian K View Post
    I understand, but does that make him the greatest or merely the most famous? While Burns is second to none in terms of creating and celebrating Scottish identity, I would suggest that Smith and Bell, for example, have had much more influence and impact worldwide.
    I agree it's not easy given the number of fields of excellence and impact of various Scots within them.

    In 2002, the BBC did a series of programmes upon who was the greatest Briton with 100 people being nominated and championed and then put up for public vote. This was reduced to the top 10 and Sir Winston Churchill was the winner.

    The highest placed Scot was Sir Alexander Fleming at #20, William Wallace was at #48, Alexander Graham Bell was #57, Robert the Bruce #74 and Burns and Sir Walter Scott didn't even feature! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Greatest_Britons

    The vast number of nominations were English though! Only 4 were Welsh!

    Even reducing the entry to Scots alone I expect it would not be difficult to find 100 and then seeing them reduced to the top 10. But we don't have the resources of the BBC and who would be the champions for the cause of their favourite?
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    Being of what the British call a high church background and geared to think that way, I propose a mystical trinity:

    Robert the Bruce, Robert Burns, and Walter Scott.

    Not wanting to diminish Burns, I have omitted titles; all three have them as conferred both by nature and by Scottish history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McClef View Post
    Even reducing the entry to Scots alone I expect it would not be difficult to find 100 and then seeing them reduced to the top 10. But we don't have the resources of the BBC and who would be the champions for the cause of their favourite?
    So true. Even if the question was grouped there would undoubtedly be the need to sub-devide, for example; Best Military Leader. First one has to define best and even then how does one compare Wallace or Bruce against Stirling (LRDG & SAS) or Haig, Lord George Murray or Sir George Murray (Wellington's QMG), John Graham of Claverhouse (Bonnie Dundee)?

    There are so many candidates for this and all the potential categories depending on the criteria set.
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