Tunes of Glory?

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

As far as directors being "reliable witnesses" go, I've been a "witness" on more than a dozen films and I'm afraid that my recollection of the minor details usually became pretty hazy after a year or two. Probably the only "witness" who could speak with ultimate authority would be Charles Guerin who did the wardrobe for ToG-- if he's still with us.

But like BOB, I'd like to see a close up of the ToG cap badge-- or better yet have one to put in a frame next to my Runitanian belt buckle and 77th Bengal Lancers cap badge.

[figheadair]

A film like TUNES OF GLORY is made in four stages:

What the costume designer wouldn't have done was sit down, design a tartan, have it woven, then have kilts made.

So, if it's the consensus of well-informed opinion on XMTS that the regiment is wearing brown Scott tartan-- well, that's good enough for me.

I have to disagree. Here's a better image of the Tunes of Glory tartan



It may have been based on the Brown Scott, who knows, but it's certainly not it.

Having done the tartan & Highland Dress advice for the film Rob Roy I know that if the director wants a different colouring and has the money then they will go to a special weave which is what happened there. I had an old piece associated with the MacGregors that the Head of Costume absolutely loved but as was often the case with C18th specimens the red was a deep rose pink. She wanted it but the director (I'm not having Liam Neilson wearing pink) had other views and so they went for a special run of a blue and brown sett that had not historical basis but 'looked right' to him.

[Rob Wright]

Here are a few links to flesh oot the tartan used.

Kilts used in film still around:

http://archive.thisiswiltshire.co.uk...13/259111.html

Discussion concerning the tartan used:

http://forums.bobdunsire.com/forums/.../t-111686.html

And finally a quote from one of the posters:

02-02-2010, 07:31 AM
I have a piece of the cloth. Mr Kenny Dalgliesh of DC Dalgliesh in Selkirk took one look and said "Brown Scott' The expert has spoken.
The kilts were made by a kilt maker on Forth St, Edinburgh and as you can see on the movie they have civvy buckles!

Rob

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I have to disagree. Here's a better image of the Tunes of Glory tartan



It may have been based on the Brown Scott, who knows, but it's certainly not it.

Having done the tartan & Highland Dress advice for the film Rob Roy I know that if the director wants a different colouring and has the money then they will go to a special weave which is what happened there. I had an old piece associated with the MacGregors that the Head of Costume absolutely loved but as was often the case with C18th specimens the red was a deep rose pink. She wanted it but the director (I'm not having Liam Neilson wearing pink) had other views and so they went for a special run of a blue and brown sett that had not historical basis but 'looked right' to him.

The difference between ROB ROY and TUNES OF GLORY is about $150 million in the production budget, which allows directors a certain leeway in creating one kilt for the star, as opposed to fifty odd kilts for the entire cast.

So, ROB ROY not withstanding, until someone proves otherwise, I'm sticking to my guns and backing the Brown Scott theory.

[OC Richard]

I just thought it would be nice to juxtapose these three images.

I don't see how the Tunes Of Glory tartan is any different from Hunting Scott.

Yes the dark blue (?) band is wider, the brown portion narrower, on the swatch, but there are cases where the proportions of the same tartan vary from mill to mill. The proportions are up to the whim of each weaver and do not make it a different sett.

[Nick the DSM]

It looks to me the white stripes are different.

[Rob Wright]

It is Scott Brown. The thread I linked to covers three years. The individual who secured a piece of cloth was able to because the uniforms used still exist, stored at a London costumers. They were used in a stage adaption of Tunes of Glory in 2006.

I've also seen pipers wear a plaid of a different tartan than their kilt.

Rob

[OC Richard]

It looks to me the white stripes are different.

Different in what way? Looks like the same two white lines in each photo.

[rsvpiper]

Yep must say it does look like Scot tartan. very nice mind Hmm me thinks this could just be the next KiltI've tried an email to the costume people but as yet have had no reply may try the phone on monday,

[Nick the DSM]

Different in what way? Looks like the same two white lines in each photo.

The count, but it just may because of its just a small picture.