Confederate Memorial

[BoldHighlander]

Enjoy!

Thank's for the great laugh!

[GDub]

...TRUST ME GUYS-I understand that there are many variables to the conflict from us "White-Guys" point of view, but for African-Americans, anything relative to the Confederacy is an insult...

I agree, but... There was a recent poll that found that 26% of Americans surveyed didn't know that it was Great Britain that the U.S. declared its independence from in 1776. 26%! Unfortunately, we are a dumbed down society. Many Americans (regardless of ethnicity or race) don't know their **** from a hole in the ground. Sad, but true.

BTW, I like the tartan, but I wouldn't wear it if you put a gun to my head. Guess that's a statement of where I'm at.

[jForrester]

........, but for African-Americans, anything relative to the Confederacy is an insult. If you think otherwise, you're being delusional. ....... Again-JUST MY OPINION.

Which is a real indication of the common ignorance among Americans, since at least 93,000 of their ancestors fought for their country under that flag. Well documented in contemporary writings, but absent the PC history books of today.

[jForrester]

I agree, but... There was a recent poll that found that 26% of Americans surveyed didn't know that it was Great Britain that the U.S. declared its independence from in 1776. 26%! Unfortunately, we are a dumbed down society. Many Americans (regardless of ethnicity or race) don't know their **** from a hole in the ground. Sad, but true.

BTW, I like the tartan, but I wouldn't wear it if you put a gun to my head. Guess that's a statement of where I'm at.

You don't have to go that far back, even. There was also a poll I read that found most Americans don't know we fought the Japanese in WW II. Many even asked "Who won?"

[Hothir Ethelnor]

I found it amusing that there are African American reenactors who are portraying confederate soldiers.

I am not sure if it's cluelessness or a bold step towards overcoming personal prejudice but I haven't found it to be a big deal (confederate pride that is) amongst the black people I know. (I prefer to say black vs African American because AA sounds as though they are still foreign in some way.)

I find it helps to study the history of the people and what they really fought for and the actual implications of various things on people's lives at that time before making sweeping accusations and furthering more than a century of prejudice.

Slavery is an inherently monstrous and inefficient system that inevitably leads to loss rather than gain for all parties. I find myself more aligned though with the arguments presented for the Confederate position in history than for the Union by force practiced by the north.

As to the confederate tartan? I probably wouldn't get a kilt in it simply because I have a host of other tartans that are much higher on my list.

[macwilkin]

Which is a real indication of the common ignorance among Americans, since at least 93,000 of their ancestors fought for their country under that flag. Well documented in contemporary writings, but absent the PC history books of today.

And I would remind you that it is a very unfair stereotype that all academic textbooks and professors are "politically correct", myself included.

T.

[jForrester]

And I would remind you that it is a very unfair stereotype that all academic textbooks and professors are "politically correct", myself included.

T.

I didn't say they "all" are PC. But it cannot be denied that many are.

"The victor writes the history books." That's the way it has always been. And always will be.

[jForrester]

I found it amusing that there are African American reenactors who are portraying confederate soldiers.

Why not? They are simply being historically accurate. And many of them can trace ancestry that way.

I am not sure if it's cluelessness or a bold step towards overcoming personal prejudice but I haven't found it to be a big deal (confederate pride that is) amongst the black people I know. (I prefer to say black vs African American because AA sounds as though they are still foreign in some way.)

It's not a "big deal" among most whites, either. Just some - of all groups.

I find it helps to study the history of the people and what they really fought for and the actual implications of various things on people's lives at that time before making sweeping accusations and furthering more than a century of prejudice.

Exactly.

Slavery is an inherently monstrous and inefficient system that inevitably leads to loss rather than gain for all parties.

Sure. No question. But that was not the view of most of the world a couple of centuries ago. (And some of the world even today.)

I find myself more aligned though with the arguments presented for the Confederate position in history than for the Union by force practiced by the north.

As to the confederate tartan? I probably wouldn't get a kilt in it simply because I have a host of other tartans that are much higher on my list.

Concur. But this discussion is out of place in this forum, imo. I shall now go silent on the subject.

[macwilkin]

I didn't say they "all" are PC. But it cannot be denied that many are.

"The victor writes the history books." That's the way it has always been. And always will be.

That still doesn't excuse an unfair generalization -- and remember, texts are just one aspect of teaching. As an instructor, I rely on my own research, lecture notes & other materials -- the text is essentially supplemental in my class, and I frequently present an opposing viewpoint to texts.

T.

[jForrester]

.......... As an instructor, I rely on my own research, lecture notes & other materials -- the text is essentially supplemental in my class, and I frequently present an opposing viewpoint to texts.

T.

Good for you. That is exactly the right way. Wish all did.

As for my own instruction days, I taught computer operations, where there is often more than one way. And occupational safety, where there is rarely a second way! :^)