Guide to Highland Jackets

[MacBean]

When I first started looking for a kilt, navigating the jacket jargon was a bit tough. Today I found a web page with a good show of jacket varieties, so thought I'd post the link.

http://www.highlandclans.co.uk/Kilt_Doublets.html

I was lucky enough to win a 50-year old regulation doublet on eBay (no vest), so now I have more searching to do to make it work for me. But that's another topic.

Feel free to post jacket pictures or guides here.

[sp00ky]

I found this page very helpful and interesting....

http://www.blacktieguide.com/Supplemental/Scottish.htm

[Cygnus]

I found this page very helpful and interesting....

http://www.blacktieguide.com/Supplemental/Scottish.htm

The pictures might be interesting, but I would ignore most of what that site says. It quotes Wikipedia extensively and, while the Wikipedia article in question has improved somewhat, it is full of errors and misinformation. Some of it is correct, but if you're using it as a guide it will be hit and miss.

EDIT: I may have been a bit too harsh in my original assessment. There are inaccuracies in both sites, though errors are not as rife as my post may have made it seem.

[MacLowlife]

Charles Thompson points out that different companies use the same names for different jackets. Unfortunately, the Black Tie Guide site has a couple of pictures that are not consistent with my understanding. The Regulation Doublet, for instance, is not just a PC with epaulets- it has Inverness Flaps (tashes) that seem to be missing from their illustration. There has been discussion elsewhere about single and double breasted Regulation Doublets and PCs, as well.

For some reason, Highland Clans does not show the double breasted Montrose doublet which is popular with many X Markers.

To avoid confusion, I have proposed a sort of menu of elements:

You can have your doublet to button or to be open.

You may have it with or without flaps/skirts/tashes.

You can have it single or double breasted.

You can have it with lapels or a military collar.

You can have it with any one of three styles of cuffs.

If you like, you can further specify the fabric and the direction in which the fabric is cut.

There are names for most of these variations, many of which are pretty well standardized among X Markers, but now and then something new comes along, or at least something named differently.

Double Breasted, no flaps, military collar: Montrose
Single breasted, flaps, military collar: Kenmore ( this is also a good approximation of a piper's tunic)
Open, DB, lapels, flaps in the back ( PC)
Open, Lapels, flaps all round Regulation (some would say this ought to specify double or single breasted, but I think they come both ways)
Closed, Single Breasted, lapels, flaps : Balmoral
Open/closed single breasted, lapels, no flaps Argyle/Crail

I am intentionally leaving at least one error in this list. I look to my superiors to locate it and point out my mistakes.

[MacLowlife]

There are numerous excellent discussions and expositions here on X Marks, regarding both nomenclature and escalating degrees of formality. I would urge anyone who hasn't done so to consult McMurdo and Panache's excellent thread One Kilt Ten Looks. A quick search on the Traditional Highland Dress forum reveals several informative and useful threads on various jackets. And, of course, many of us are just waiting to answer your questions. Some of us may even get the answer right.

[wildrover]

The pictures might be interesting, but I would ignore most of what that site says. It quotes Wikipedia extensively and, while the Wikipedia article in question has improved somewhat, it is full of errors and misinformation. Some of it is correct, but if you're using it as a guide it will be hit and miss.

EDIT: I may have been a bit too harsh in my original assessment. There are inaccuracies in both sites, though errors are not as rife as my post may have made it seem.

Ireland had...an emperor?

[JSFMACLJR]

Ireland had...an emperor?

Well, yes, and an Empress. Victoria, Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII, George VI.
( not to forget Alexandra, Mary, and Elizabeth! )

[MacLowlife]

Anybody know who bought this?

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=260634496885

Or who sold it? Somebody did well.

[KFCarter]

PS, Teeming with a lot of news??

There are numerous excellent discussions and expositions here on X Marks, regarding both nomenclature and escalating degrees of formality. I would urge anyone who hasn't done so to consult McMurdo and Panache's excellent thread One Kilt Ten Looks...

Sorry for the total hi-jack, but in my book, no G & S reference should ever go un-applauded...

[MacLowlife]

And I sweep the floor...