Wilson's 1820 Fraser Tartan

[scotchmaster]

Nick would the Wilson 1820 Fraser Tartan be the same as Wilson's of Bannockburns Fraser tartan on The Tartan Museum website? i need to purchase a yard to make a waistcoat?

[Tartan Tess]

One yard....? It's like only one chip....

[figheadair]

Nick would the Wilson 1820 Fraser Tartan be the same as Wilson's of Bannockburns Fraser tartan on The Tartan Museum website? i need to purchase a yard to make a waistcoat?

Yes but no but.....

The entry on the STM/STA site is wrong. Here's the correct setting of Wilsons' Fraser c1820.



Can supply if you're interested.

[Nick Fiddes]

Many thanks to figheadair for his thoughtfulness in offering to supply this fabric, since he was so helpfully able to reply faster than I myself to this question posed directly to me by name on the dedicated Scotweb forum. ;-)

As for the sett, we can indeed supply a single yard, in Ancient, in medium weight. See:
http://www.scotweb.co.uk/sr_swhdr_ta...aterial/104294

As for the discussion as to which is correct, we now mostly look to the official Scottish Register of Tartans as the definitive record, since both the STA and World Register subsumed their recording functions under its auspices a couple of years ago. That doesn't mean there aren't still errors in even those records. But we'd prefer those sometimes arcane arguments to be settled at an official level, now that we have the benefit of a single unified source at last.

Having said that, we can of course also weave you any sett you like with a minimum of four yards. Just tell us which thread count you'd prefer and we'll do it.

If anyone else can supply single yards in other variants, we'd love to hear from them, to add them to our roster of specialist weavers!

[M. A. C. Newsome]

I think Peter and Nick have both missed the original point of the question.

Nick, I believe what Scotchmaster was asking is whether the tartan you list as "Wilson 1820 Fraser" is the same as what the Museum gift shop shows on this page, which is woven by Strathmore.


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that he's just looking for a yard of matching material to make a waistcoat from and wants to make sure it's the same as what's he's got.

And once again I'll point out that there is no "STM/STA web site." Whilst the Scottish Tartans Museum (in North Carolina) and the Scottish Tartans Authority (in Scotland) both work vigilantly to promote tartan and educate about Highland Dress history and traditions, they are actually two quite separate entities.

[Nick Fiddes]

Hi Matt, I take your point. (And of course we can supply that fabric too.) But whilst entirely respecting your academic expertise, I wonder if you aren't contributing to the confusion yourself by describing that fabric on your site simply as Fraser? Strathmore themselves describe the fabric as Fraser of Lovat (WOB). So our approach would be to describe a tartan as officially recorded in the national Register, and/or as the producer does... rather than rename it in another way that might muddy the water further for non-experts.

[figheadair]

Hi Matt,

Then I misunderstood the question. What you show is of course more commonly known as Fraser of Lovat. I simply followed the link on the Museum site through Tartan Ferret to Wilson 1820 Fraser which leads to an incorrect rendering of that sett and hence my post.

Peter

I think Peter and Nick have both missed the original point of the question.

Nick, I believe what Scotchmaster was asking is whether the tartan you list as "Wilson 1820 Fraser" is the same as what the Museum gift shop shows on this page, which is woven by Strathmore.


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that he's just looking for a yard of matching material to make a waistcoat from and wants to make sure it's the same as what's he's got.

And once again I'll point out that there is no "STM/STA web site." Whilst the Scottish Tartans Museum (in North Carolina) and the Scottish Tartans Authority (in Scotland) both work vigilantly to promote tartan and educate about Highland Dress history and traditions, they are actually two quite separate entities.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Hi Matt, I take your point. (And of course we can supply that fabric too.) But whilst entirely respecting your academic expertise, I wonder if you aren't contributing to the confusion yourself by describing that fabric on your site simply as Fraser? Strathmore themselves describe the fabric as Fraser of Lovat (WOB). So our approach would be to describe a tartan as officially recorded in the national Register, and/or as the producer does... rather than rename it in another way that might muddy the water further for non-experts.

For retail purposes, our policy is to identify a tartan as the woolen mill does, specifically to avoid confusion. When we put that particular page together (if I recall correctly) we were going by how our swatches, supplied by Strathmore, were labelled. However, that may have been incorrect, so I'll see about amending that next time we do a site update, to avoid confusion.

[scotchmaster]

Guys,

Sorry to start such controversy... Although it is fun to read the posts.

Nick do you have it? How much would a yard be? How would I order it on your site?

[Nick Fiddes]

Scotchmaster, you should NEVER apologise for starting controversy round these here parts. In case you haven't noticed, we thrive on it... ;-)

Here's the Strathmore fabric
http://www.scotweb.co.uk/sr_swhdr_ta...aterial/106224 which should have all the info you need. Please just ask if not...