Review my attire 2.

[Mike_Oettle]

Ryan Ross wrote: “When I see a larger fellow with a smaller sporran, I'm always reminded of a codpiece.”

Good point.
Although the Scottish equivalent of the codpiece outfit is fitted trews (hose all the way up the leg, the tartan cloth fitted on the bias), and a sporran was occasionally worn with that kind of clothing.
Then again, the gentlemen who wore trews were generally mounted, and needed something more to cover their legs than the kilt. (Another thing that Mel Gibson got completely wrong in Braveheart!)
No doubt what you have in mind is a yob who doesn’t know how to wear a kilt, walking awkwardly, and making it worse by wearing a tiny little bag instead of a proper pouch or sporran.
Regards,
Mike

[artificer]

I think Jock looks the biz. If it were me, I'd probably go for a mustard gold garter tie instead of the blue, but that's a pretty small detail.

Cheers, Jock, for putting yourself 'under the microscope'!

[Mike_Oettle]

Good idea, Artificer. It would match the tie.
Regards,
Mike

[Jock Scot]

CMcG.

Interesting comment about the tie knot, and to a British traditional eye the tie knot must absolutely be not too big, its a social give away, as is a tie knot that is too small.

[CMcG]

CMcG.

Interesting comment about the tie knot, and to a British traditional eye the tie knot must absolutely be not too big, its a social give away, as is a tie knot that is too small.

Jock, would you mind elaborating a bit on what you mean by a too-big knot being a "social give away?" Also, what knot do you use?

Personally, I think something like a full Windsor knot is too big for everyday wear and is better suited to special occasions. A thicker tie, with a four-in-hand can look big enough but on a thinner tie, a half-Windsor, Pratt, or double knot can bulk it up a bit.

Your tie looks fine in the picture and I was, of course, just nit-picking. My comment stems from the spread of your collar looking like it could accommodate a slightly larger knot.

To me, it has everything to do with filling the spread of the collar without over-stuffing it. I'm interested to know what social significance people might ascribe to knot size in the U.K. or anywhere else in the world?

[Paul Henry]

Jock, would you mind elaborating a bit on what you mean by a too-big knot being a "social give away?" ....clip.... I'm interested to know what social significance people might ascribe to knot size in the U.K. or anywhere else in the world?

There are so many social conventions that denote all sorts of social status , and I suspect it is almost impossible to explain them, there is the line something like if you have to ask... you are not part of it!

The UK is very full of these "markers" I suspect much more so that the States, but at the root of it , education and class will play a large part.
I'm not suggesting that at the heart of things it is a good or bad , but it is a very obvious and apparent part of our society.

[JSFMACLJR]

CMcG.

Interesting comment about the tie knot, and to a British traditional eye the tie knot must absolutely be not too big, its a social give away, as is a tie knot that is too small.

Of course the Kent Brothers seem to have a fashion sense all unto themselves when it comes to tie knots!

[Sir William]

Whilst brown shoes and brown sporran or a mixture of black and brown is perfectly acceptable for day wear attire,my family upbringing plus my army background says that it must be black leathers for me and I am happy with that.

Very much to my thinking - and training - as well, Jock. I prefer to wear either all black or all brown leathers.

I used to think that only brown was worn for daywear, but the last two years or so, I've worn black nearly as much as brown. However, I don't like to mix the two colors, though I will wear different shades of brown.

I like the overall look of your outfit - the colors compliment each other and demonstrates that the colours do not have to match.

[Sir William]

The things I really like about your outfit, Jock, that in my opinion go a long way towards making any kilted gentleman look more dignified in their daywear ensemble, are:

1) tweed jacket & waistcoat
2) tattersal shirt
3) watch chain
4) regimental tie*
5) hose color other than white/ecru

*Regarding regimental ties, I realize not everyone served in a regiment or other military unit that has it's own tie, or graduated from a school or belongs to a club that would entitle them to a school or club tie; however, generic neck ties in this type of motif are readily available and simply look classic with a kilt.

When I wear a tie with my kilt, I usually choose a regimental or association tie. The Marine Corps does not have an official regimental tie like British units wear, but I've found two ties labeled USMC regimental ties. One is forest green with narrow red and gold stripes, the other is navy blue with narrow red and gold stripes. One or the other usually goes well with the kilts I have. I also have several ties for the Marine Corps Historical Foundation - I wore one of these and the blue "regimental" tie when I was in Scotland last year.

I also like tattersall shirts, especially when worn with a tweed jacket. To me the two just obviously go together.

[Jock Scot]

There are so many social conventions that denote all sorts of social status , and I suspect it is almost impossible to explain them, there is the line something like if you have to ask... you are not part of it!

The UK is very full of these "markers" I suspect much more so that the States, but at the root of it , education and class will play a large part.
I'm not suggesting that at the heart of things it is a good or bad , but it is a very obvious and apparent part of our society.

CMcG.

Paulhenry has said it far better than I. It is these "social markers" that say so much, even these days, loudly and clearly to (some) British and it is, indeed, almost impossible to explain. This is why it is very difficult to explain why, for example, the wearing a Prince Charlie jacket in the day time is such a no-no to people who do not (and quite frankly have no real need to until the wish to wear the kilt arrives) know about these things.

I have no idea what tie knot I use, but it certainly is not a Windsor knot. Perish the thought!