Raise a Saltire in honour of the memory of Bishop Robert Wishart

[Mael Coluim]

Not to mettle in another country's affairs, but this one of Scottish Diaspora would like to weigh in on this petition before the Scottish Parliament.

Click here for the Petition
Click here for the Facebook page on it
Click here for David R. Ross’s video on Bishop Wishart’s tomb in Glasgow Cathedral

What say ye?

[Jock Scot]

I think on the whole that it is best if the whole idea is let slip quietly by.

[Lallans]

Could you expand on that sentiment Jock?

[Redshank]

I think on the whole that it is best if the whole idea is let slip quietly by.

Why ????

The man was a patriot in a time and age when Scotland as a nation where fighting against the rule and tyranny of the English, The Bruce and Wallace are celebrated patriots for their stand, I think Wishart deserves his place up there amongst them and to raise the Saltire in recognition of his efforts would be a small tribute.

That's just my view as a patriot

[Jock Scot]

I think I am as just as much a patriot as you Chris and I am sure that you are not suggesting otherwise. I just happen to have a differing opinion to you. Which is one of the reasons why----------.To keep the peace, I will take no further part of this thread.

[Lallans]

Wow, I would have thought that any controversy about the real Wallace story, and especially where the supporting players were concerned, was pretty much a dead issue in Scotland. But I watch and learn.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I am opposed to the petition simply because it asks the Assembly to instruct a Government body (Historic Scotland) to enter a church, without their permission and quite possibly against their will, and set up a flag and tourist plaque.

This petition suggests, if acted upon, possibly the greatest violation of the sanctity of churches in Scotland, since the destruction wrought by Oliver Cromwell.

I admire the actions of Bishop Wishart during the Scottish wars for independence. I deplore the back door actions of "patriots" who seek to impose their views on others by petition to the government. Why, I am forced to ask, haven't they presented their case to Glasgow Cathedral? Surely, if it was the desire of the Cathedral to do so, the tomb of Bishop Wishart could be transformed into a shrine of nationalist sentiment. Complete with neon lights, if that is what's wanted.

Call me old-fashioned, but it just may be that Glasgow Cathedral would rather remain a house of religious worship, rather than just another stop on the Brave Heart tourist trail.

[Lallans]

Gentlemen, I am convinced. At the very least, this is an internal Scottish matter.

[macwilkin]

I am opposed to the petition simply because it asks the Assembly to instruct a Government body (Historic Scotland) to enter a church, without their permission and quite possibly against their will, and set up a flag and tourist plaque.

This petition suggests, if acted upon, possibly the greatest violation of the sanctity of churches, since the destruction wrought by Oliver Cromwell.

I admire the actions of Bishop Wishart during the Scottish wars for independence. I deplore the back door actions of "patriots" who seek to impose their views on others by petition to the government. Why, I am forced to ask, haven't they presented their case to Glasgow Cathedral? Surely, if it was the desire of the Cathedral to do so, the tomb of Bishop Wishart could be transformed into a shrine of nationalist sentiment. Complete with neon lights, if that is what's wanted.

Call me old-fashioned, but it just may be that Glasgow Cathedral would rather remain a house of religious worship, rather than just another stop on the Brave Heart tourist trail.

The question I have is the Union flag part of a war memorial?

T.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

The question I have is the Union flag part of a war memorial?

T.

Flags are laid up in churches (of all denominations) in Scotland only with the permission of the governing body of the church. Neither the government nor the military have the power or authority (yet) to force a Scottish church to display-- or remove from display-- any flag.

In churches the significance of flags (other than the national flag and, perhaps, that of the church if it has a distinctive flag) is that they commemorate the service and sacrifice of soldiers from the surrounding area, nothing more, nothing less. Some churches do contain "war memorials" but these, unlike the flags, memorialize only the names of the fallen, most of whom rest far from the fields of home.

Since no "war" was fought that brought about the Union of Scotland with England, I don't think the Union Flag can be considered a war memorial.