Scots/Welsh; Welsh/Scots

**Duke of Delrio** · 14th November 10, 09:47 PM

This is a tough one for me, and I can't seem to find an answer anywhere else. I am of both Scottish and Welsh heritage, and have appropriate tartans for each. Is it at all inappropriate to wear a kilt of Scottish Tartan with a formal Welsh Prince Charlie jacket bearing the Scottish tartan on the sleeve insets? Mind you, the event at which this outfit would be worn is to be a formal reception in the United States honoring a Scot for his service in WWII.

My intent is to represent both celtic families from which I descend, while rendering every respect to the Scot who will be honored.

**Chas** · 15th November 10, 02:52 AM

Hi Delrio,

The 'rule of thumb' is that you should not wear two different tartans at the same time. A tartan with different size setts is OK, but totally different is not.

The Welsh PC is a fashion invention and is not in any way traditional. It also means that you would be limited to only wearing it with one kilt - what happens when you buy another kilt, in a different tartan, next year?

The other thing is that Welsh tartans are also a recent fashion invention.

If you have not already bought the Welsh PC, I would give it a miss. After all, why wear something that is supposed to be Welsh to honour a man who is Scottish?

Sorry, if this sounds a bit negative.

Regards

Chas

**Jock Scot** · 15th November 10, 02:58 AM

OK, please forgive my ignorance but what is a "Welsh Prince Charlie" jacket?Is there a difference from a Scots one? Is there any chance of a picture?

**Chas** · 15th November 10, 03:14 AM

Here you go:

The cuffs and pockets are stiched down, so the jacket can only be used with the one kilt.

Regards

Chas

**Jock Scot** · 15th November 10, 03:28 AM

Thanks Chas.

Hummm let me see, tartan cuffs will, if you are a traditionalist, reduce your options, although I suppose if you are wearing "regional" , non clan,or,fashion tartans you will not upset "the Clans",but-----. To my eyes the tartan cuffs etc. make the jacket overly and unnecessarily ornate and reduce the impact of the jacket.

**Chas** · 15th November 10, 03:43 AM

Personally, I don't like them. They are just a bit too much music hall pastiche Scotsman; they scream "see you Jimmy" at me. As nice as the rest of the outfit is (and no doubt expensive), all I can think about is - Where's the ginger wig?

Regards

Chas

**Jock Scot** · 15th November 10, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Chas

Personally, I don't like them. They are just a bit too much music hall pastiche Scotsman; they scream "see you Jimmy" at me. As nice as the rest of the outfit is (and no doubt expensive), all I can think about is - Where's the ginger wig?

Regards

Chas

You are right!I had not the wit to see that angle!

**McClef** · 15th November 10, 03:55 AM

I own a Welsh "Twyssog Charles" PC but having tried it with kilts in other tartans (not in public I hasten to add) it most definitely only works when the cilt is in the same tartan as the accentuations on the jacket.

So I only wear it with the correct tartan cilt at special occasions in Wales.

Conversely Welsh tartans go quite happily with the standard PC without clashing but then you could well not achieve the object you are seeking in this instance.

Possibly a Welsh kilt pin or the Welsh ysgrepan (sporran) would work well though with a Scottish tartan, I have often "mixed" in that area and it still looks good.

**MacRobert's Reply** · 15th November 10, 05:15 AM

Possibly a Welsh kilt pin or the Welsh ysgrepan (sporran) would work well though with a Scottish tartan, I have often "mixed" in that area and it still looks good.

I saw these outfits in Wales last year in a menswear shop. They were for hire and I was told that they were popular for weddings. The shopkeeper, however, was unable to enlighten me as to their distinctive Welshness. The tartan, buttons and kilt pin were obvious but what makes a sporran Welsh rather than Scottish?

**Jock Scot** · 15th November 10, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by MacRobert's Reply

I saw these outfits in Wales last year in a menswear shop. They were for hire and I was told that they were popular for weddings. The shopkeeper, however, was unable to enlighten me as to their distinctive Welshness. The tartan, buttons and kilt pin were obvious but what makes a sporran Welsh rather than Scottish?

I have seen some sporrans with a "dragon" on the flap, perhaps that makes it Welsh?