Is this an official tartan?

**greenfordranger** · 11th December 10, 10:12 AM

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I picked up a few yds. of this a few weeks ago & was wondering if it was a registered tartan or just another purdy plaid

Thanks for looking & any help given

**Maclachlan** · 11th December 10, 10:54 AM

Looks like Douglas grey modern...

**figheadair** · 11th December 10, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by greenfordranger

I picked up a few yds. of this a few weeks ago & was wondering if it was a registered tartan or just another purdy plaid

Thanks for looking & any help given

Another modern trade sett.

**Bugbear** · 11th December 10, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by figheadair

Another modern trade sett.

I'm just wondering what the proper name for a tartan woven with half the sett of a clan tartan would be?

I have a kilt hanging in my closet that is half the sett of a Lamont tartan. I bought it because I was aware that it was not a real Lamont tartan, even though it was being sold as a Lamont. Matt Newsome pointed this out before I bought it; a few others here have the same tartan. I didn't want a clan tartan.

**figheadair** · 11th December 10, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Bugbear

I'm just wondering what the proper name for a tartan woven with half the sett of a clan tartan would be?

I have a kilt hanging in my closet that is half the sett of a Lamont tartan. I bought it because I was aware that it was not a real Lamont tartan, even though it was being sold as a Lamont. Matt Newsome pointed this out before I bought it; a few others here have the same tartan. I didn't want a clan tartan.

In what way is it a half sett?

**Bugbear** · 11th December 10, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by figheadair

In what way is it a half sett?

I think it is missing the double black stripes, so there is only one black stripe in each sett.

**figheadair** · 12th December 10, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Bugbear

I think it is missing the double black stripes, so there is only one black stripe in each sett.

Assuming you mean that there is a single pair of tramlines on each blue rather than the alternating 2/4 per the standard 42nd setting then whay you have is Campbell of Argyll per the Smith brothers' 1850 work.

There are said to be a number of Wilsons specimens of 42nd setting with a 2/2 arrangement i.e. a shortened 42nd count and it's possible that that's how this Lamont/Campbell started out although I have to say, I've never actually seen one of either.

It's possible that at some earlier point, assuming that it existed pre-1850, that your sett might have been called Lamont and/or Forbes but at this stage I'll stick to the Smiths' Campbell of Argyll.

**Bugbear** · 12th December 10, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by figheadair

Assuming you mean that there is a single pair of tramlines on each blue rather than the alternating 2/4 per the standard 42nd setting then whay you have is Campbell of Argyll per the Smith brothers' 1850 work.

There are said to be a number of Wilsons specimens of 42nd setting with a 2/2 arrangement i.e. a shortened 42nd count and it's possible that that's how this Lamont/Campbell started out although I have to say, I've never actually seen one of either.

It's possible that at some earlier point, assuming that it existed pre-1850, that your sett might have been called Lamont and/or Forbes but at this stage I'll stick to the Smiths' Campbell of Argyll.

Thanks, figheadair, I don't think I was explaining it correctly.

Here is the thread where it came up, and I think there are pictures of the kilts I am talking about still there:

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...ictures-32248/

This is a link to the post that Matt Newsome explains the half sett part:
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...tml#post446039

I am not able to quote it because it is a closed thread, but I am copy and pasting it here.

I've just noticed that SWK's weathered Lamont has the same problem that many have noticed with the Black Watch tartan, as produced by some Pakistani suppliers.
Namely, it's really only half the sett.

The Lamont tartan is based on the Black Watch (it's the Black Watch with a white line added to the green), and so like the Black Watch it should have a
single pair of black stripes alternating with a double pair of black stripes on every other blue field. This one has a single pair of black lines on every
blue, effectively showing only half the sett.

Understand I'm just making an academic comment on the tartan, here, Jamie, not on your outfit! You look smashing, as usual!

Matt
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He explains it better than me.

That's kind of scarey that it is actually the "Smiths' Campbell of Argyll."

**figheadair** · 12th December 10, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bugbear

Thanks, figheadair, I don't think I was explaining it correctly.

I am not able to quote it because it is a closed thread, but I am copy and pasting it here.

He explains it better than me.

That's kind of scarey that it is actually the "Smiths' Campbell of Argyll."

As I said....

**Bugbear** · 12th December 10, 01:22 PM

Thanks again, figheadair.
There are several other members who have Stillwater kilts in the same tartan. I guess it's good to know what the actual tartan probably is; "Smiths' Campbell of Argyll," rather than Lamont.
Like I said, I bought it thinking it was not a real clan tartan because I have no connection to either of these clans, or any other clans for that matter.