Getting a COA registered

[SlackerDrummer]

The definitive answer, whichmost of has already been discussed and explained by Scott, is most readily available on the official website of the Court of the Lord Lyon - they is really no "shades of grey" when petitioning for arms (especially for non-British citizens), rather, it's very "black and white".

What is black and white there, Kyle, is how to obtain a grant of arms from Lord Lyon. Where there are numerous - countless even - shades of gray is whether or not one ought to seek a grant from Lyon in the first place. For non-Scots, the ultimate answer is really a personal preference much of which depends on where they fall on a wide continuum of heraldic traditions.

[creagdhubh]

What is black and white there, Kyle, is how to obtain a grant of arms from Lord Lyon. Where there are numerous - countless even - shades of gray is whether or not one ought to seek a grant from Lyon in the first place. For non-Scots, the ultimate answer is really a personal preference much of which depends on where they fall on a wide continuum of heraldic traditions.

Quite right Kenneth! For one to petition the Lyon Court for a matriculation of arms, is very much a personal decision...I would argue most decisions are personal to begin with. I don't disagree with you. In most cases for American citizens, it would be considered a "cadet-matriculation", especially if it is a completely new granting of arms to a Scottish ancestor of the said petitioner. I am not discussing, nor have I thus far in regards to this topic, non-Scots.

Slainte,

[SlackerDrummer]

I am not discussing, nor have I thus far in regards to this topic, non-Scots.

By non-Scot, I mean someone who is not a citizen/resident of Scotland. I am not talking about those who identify themselves as "Scottish". American citizens are "non-Scots".

[creagdhubh]

By non-Scot, I mean someone who is not a citizen/resident of Scotland. I am not talking about those who identify themselves as "Scottish". American citizens are "non-Scots".

I know what you mean Kenneth and I agree with you. I am well aware that Americans are "non-Scots" in the terms you putforth.

Slainte,

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

By non-Scot, I mean someone who is not a citizen/resident of Scotland. I am not talking about those who identify themselves as "Scottish". American citizens are "non-Scots".

Just remember that both British offices of arms extend "the imperial mandate" to all corners of the globe formerly part of the Empire, whilst the Irish office of arms embraces those of provable Irish descent world wide.

I mention this because, it would seem, that someone born in British India, or whose father or grandfather was born in British India (or elsewhere in the Empire), should qualify for a substantive grant of arms from either the College or the Lord Lyon.

Hmmm. Another set of doors open wide?

[creagdhubh]

Just remember that both British offices of arms extend "the imperial mandate" to all corners of the globe formerly part of the Empire, whilst the Irish office of arms embraces those of provable Irish descent world wide.

I mention this because, it would seem, that someone born in British India, or whose father or grandfather was born in British India, should qualify for a substantive grant of arms from either the College or the Lord Lyon.

Hmmm. Another set of doors open wide?

Interesting Scott...doors wide open I would say!!!

[SlackerDrummer]

Just remember that both British offices of arms extend "the imperial mandate" to all corners of the globe formerly part of the Empire, whilst the Irish office of arms embraces those of provable Irish descent world wide.

I mention this because, it would seem, that someone born in British India, or whose father or grandfather was born in British India (or elsewhere in the Empire), should qualify for a substantive grant of arms from either the College or the Lord Lyon.

Hmmm. Another set of doors open wide?

I keep missing whole pages of this discussion.

The College of Arms will only grant honorary grants to all but British citizens (or maybe also to those still in Commonwealth nations). Grants to Americans, for instance, are NOT substantive. Lyon won't even recognize them.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

What is black and white there, Kyle, is how to obtain a grant of arms from Lord Lyon. Where there are numerous - countless even - shades of gray is whether or not one ought to seek a grant from Lyon in the first place. For non-Scots, the ultimate answer is really a personal preference much of which depends on where they fall on a wide continuum of heraldic traditions.

Kenneth has really hit the nail on the head.

[WVHighlander]

Again I didn't realize this would be such a spirited debate. It is interesting to see everyone's opinion as I am watching my recorded Scotland vs. England 6 Nations game.

[creagdhubh]

Again I didn't realize this would be such a spirited debate. It is interesting to see everyone's opinion as I am watching my recorded Scotland vs. England 6 Nations game.

Nice!!!