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    Quote Originally Posted by WVHighlander View Post
    I said if I had my druthers.

    I was going to go with argent in the field however, the over-emphasis of silver as representing peace. However, if I were to follow the traditional rules I would substitute the Azure for Argent...

    I went for blue to represent strength.
    There is no historical basis for the colors on a coat of arms representing any particular virtues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cygnus View Post
    Or you could make it a fess raguly Gules fimbriated Argent (or Or).

    Not something you see very often, but it would solve the problem.
    Not quite. There is the matter of the other charges which would still be black on blue.
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    My family has used a particular coat of arms for centuries (not only in South Africa but also in Württemberg), but we cannot prove a blood connection with the family that actually owns it (who live in Franconia, that is to say northern Bavaria).
    So I altered the layout of the shield and changed the crest, coming up with this:

    I plan to register it in Pretoria, but don’t have the means at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer View Post
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    Not quite. There is the matter of the other charges which would still be black on blue.
    Yes, I'm not sure what to do about the ravens - they just wouldn't be the same if they weren't sable.

    Maybe divide the shield per-fess argent and azure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cygnus View Post
    Yes, I'm not sure what to do about the ravens - they just wouldn't be the same if they weren't sable.

    Maybe divide the shield per-fess argent and azure?
    The ravens could be blazoned Proper, and avoid the colour on colour problem on a technicality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR View Post
    The ravens could be blazoned Proper, and avoid the colour on colour problem on a technicality!


    I didn't even know that was how it worked! You learn something new everyday (usually multiple things if you hang around this forum).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR View Post
    The ravens could be blazoned Proper, and avoid the colour on colour problem on a technicality!
    A technicality that is often used to excuse bad heraldry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer View Post
    There is no historical basis for the colors on a coat of arms representing any particular virtues.
    The idea that colours are allegorical and imbued with symbolic meaning reaches back well before heraldry became common across Europe (or the Russian film maker Eisenstein wrote extensively on colour in the 1940s). The concept popped up from time to time, and most students of heraldry and armoury are aware of Richard Robinson, who in 1583, came up with the following attributes of tinctures woven into a poem based on the Arthurian romance Le Devise des Armes de Chevaliers de la Table Ronde, which was written about 1546; here's a sample:

    OR signifies the four virtues of nobleness, good will,vigour, and magnanimity;
    ARGENT signifies the five virtues of humility, beauty, putiry, clarity, and innocence;
    GULES signifies valiance;
    AZURE signifies renown and beauty;
    SABLE signifies mourning and sorrow;
    VERT (sinople in the poem) signifies honour, love, and courtesy;
    PURPURE signifies moderation and the virtues of liberality, abundance, and richness;

    Precious stones were also used to denote tinctures for blazon in the 15th and 16th centuries; as far as I am aware it was last used by the College of Arms (quite appropriately in my opinion) to blazon a grant of arms to the Gemmological Association of Great Britain in 1967.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer View Post
    There is no historical basis for the colors on a coat of arms representing any particular virtues. ...


    I'm just the forum cockroach, and that book was in my collection of crumbs dropped by the gods.

    Perhaps I should include a cockroach about to be stomped upon by a shiney Oxford shoe in my assumed arms...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbear View Post
    I'm just the forum cockroach, and that book was in my collection of crumbs dropped by the gods.

    Perhaps I should include a cockroach about to be stomped upon by a shiney Oxford shoe in my assumed arms...
    Ted -- you are FAR TOO HARD on yourself. You ask some great questions, as well as posting good observations and recommended sources. I'm always glad to see you post. I would never dare think of you as a "cockroach".

    As the Aussies say, "No worries, mate." Don't let anyone hear make you think your contributions are not important. 'nuff said.

    T.

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