Kilt to prom on Glee tonight in prime time!

[Salvianus]

I may have misunderstood; I thought two objections to the 'no sporran and leggings' look was that it was itself a) non-traditional, and b) an effeminate modern fashion and I wanted to illustrate how we have come round again to something which worn before but was obviously perfectly manly, then as now. I felt able to address those ideas because they are about Highland dress.

I now understand more clearly that some people are saying that the bad thing is that a rare prominent TV character who is wearing a kilt is himself effeminate and/or gay, because of the potential for viewers to associate that with the kilt itself. I am going to back carefully away from that idea because I understand that, as a kilt specific forum, our chosen subject of discussion is not the complete spectrum of life and I don't want to fuel a pointless argument.

Hi Nighthawk, yep the funny highlander costume is a parody, at least a tasteless joke at our expense, with overtones of racial slur. I don't think the Glee character is.

[GoodGirlGonePlaid]

Kurt rocked the kilt!
Funny thing, I thought it brought out his masculine side, which is usually quite hidden. See, a kilt brings out the inner "manly man."

I loved the boots! But maybe I also want them for me, to wear with skinny jeans. I had Boot Envy.

Kurt is a handsome kid, the Black Watch looked great on him.

[Semiomniscient]

I may have misunderstood; I thought two objections to the 'no sporran and leggings' look was that it was itself a) non-traditional, and b) an effeminate modern fashion and I wanted to illustrate how we have come round again to something which worn before but was obviously perfectly manly, then as now. I felt able to address those ideas because they are about Highland dress.

I now understand more clearly that some people are saying that the bad thing is that a rare prominent TV character who is wearing a kilt is himself effeminate and/or gay, because of the potential for viewers to associate that with the kilt itself. I am going to back carefully away from that idea because I understand that, as a kilt specific forum, our chosen subject of discussion is not the complete spectrum of life and I don't want to fuel a pointless argument.

Hi Nighthawk, yep the funny highlander costume is a parody, at least a tasteless joke at our expense, with overtones of racial slur. I don't think the Glee character is.

I think it's a little of both, but more of the case of the character and the potential for further connotation of the uneducated who think the kilt is a skirt, and is itself cross-dressing, effeminate, etc.

Nobody is making or has made any judgment whatsoever on the validity of homosexuality as a lifestyle, and it has been clearly demonstrated that this forum won't entertain such arguments.
However, if one is to meaningfully discuss the kilt as portrayed in the media, then one must discuss HOW it is portrayed. This has taken us to a realm very close to the border of what is considered "appropriate" by the forum. I think everyone has strived and succeeded to handle the matter maturely and without guile. Strong opinions will abound of course, so let them--as long as they are pertinent to the discussion. It has been educational to say the least on how people have reacted both positively and negatively.

[Bugbear]

Kurt rocked the kilt!
Funny thing, I thought it brought out his masculine side, which is usually quite hidden. See, a kilt brings out the inner "manly man."

I loved the boots! But maybe I also want them for me, to wear with skinny jeans. I had Boot Envy.

Kurt is a handsome kid, the Black Watch looked great on him.

I don't watch the show... and wouldn't get the chance to see the outfit first hand. Someone did PM me the plot of the show, though.
Still think buckle shoes would have been nice.

[kc8ufv]

Kurt rocked the kilt!
Funny thing, I thought it brought out his masculine side, which is usually quite hidden. See, a kilt brings out the inner "manly man."

I loved the boots! But maybe I also want them for me, to wear with skinny jeans. I had Boot Envy.

Kurt is a handsome kid, the Black Watch looked great on him.

I agree, I think that is perhaps the most masculine I've seen Kurt, though, I might have to review the few episodes before he came out of the closet.

[TurboKittie]

I don't think Kurt was ever in the closet.

He's also not exactly a cross-dresser. He's worn a woman's sweater, and remarked "fashion has no gender". He's also worn some exercise wear that was...maybe a tad feminine looking, but Chris Colfer has a slight build which may have lent to that look. He may have worn a kilt (or even a skirt) once I think in season one, when he gets sent to the principals office. It was a very quick scene and difficult to judge.(All the characters dressed up as Lady Gaga, so I don't think that counts.) He is definitely a clothes horse though.

[Nighthawk]

Hi Nighthawk, yep the funny highlander costume is a parody, at least a tasteless joke at our expense, with overtones of racial slur. I don't think the Glee character is.

It's not as overt- it's implied. And that's the problem. The implication makes it all the worse, because it's that much harder to see. The kilt, and Scottish culture in general, is treated with blatant disrespect on a fairly regular basis by the media. See my linked iCarly videos in earlier posts...

[rondo]

It's not as overt- it's implied. And that's the problem. The implication makes it all the worse, because it's that much harder to see. The kilt, and Scottish culture in general, is treated with blatant disrespect on a fairly regular basis by the media. See my linked iCarly videos in earlier posts...

Nighthawk,
I get what you are saying about the iCarly clips [I had never seen the show before] but I don't believe the Glee episode was disrespectful in my humble opinion. Also, I think one should look at the episode, the characters, and the production in its context as a TV series. In that context, and having watched the show on several other occaisions, I did not feel that the episode showed any blatant disrespect toward me or my ancestors. But I do understand that others may have found it disrespectful in some measure. That said, I still stand by my original post, I thought the BW kilt, the PC coatee, Tux shirt and bow tie looked good.
Rondo

[Nighthawk]

Nighthawk,
I get what you are saying about the iCarly clips [I had never seen the show before] but I don't believe the Glee episode was disrespectful in my humble opinion. Also, I think one should look at the episode, the characters, and the production in its context as a TV series. In that context, and having watched the show on several other occaisions, I did not feel that the episode showed any blatant disrespect toward me or my ancestors. But I do understand that others may have found it disrespectful in some measure. That said, I still stand by my original post, I thought the BW kilt, the PC coatee, Tux shirt and bow tie looked good.
Rondo

Yes it did! I agree. I just wish it would have been on a character who was not normally regarded as effeminate. As some glee fan has stated, "Another day, another Kurt in a skirt." http://gleestyle.livejournal.com/23136.html And that's the problem...

[James C]

Just wanted to say congratulations on having your kilt on Glee.

This is discussed in another thread titled "Kilt in Prime Time", but the title needed to be more specific and descriptive, so I started a new post/thread. Yes, a couple months ago Glee contacted us and purchased a full Prince Charlie outfit with 2 kilts, one Black Watch, and the other Royal Stewart. They chose to use the Black Watch kilt for the show. I hope it turns out well, and that the outfit of our heritage gets its proper respect, and is properly portrayed. Kurt is the character wearing the kilt. I hope it gets prom goers across the world to think about wearing kilts! What could be more manly? If you doubt that, just watch Braveheart a few more times! ;-)

Best Regards,
Brad Beaton

Pipe Major, North Atlanta Pipes and Drums, www.NATLPD.org