Morning Dress Equivalent II

[JSFMACLJR]

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You might like to check out this thread, if you haven't already:
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...tml#post972525

[Jock Scot]

Jock,
Several years ago at the Oban Ball I met a man wearing Cameron trews with...wait for it... a red hunting tail coat! He hunted with a pack from Yorkshire, and a quick check in Bailey's indicates that no hunt from that neck of the woods wears trews in any tartan!
Cheers!

I stand to be corrected here, but I am not aware of any English hunt that wears tartan trews. Hunting tail coats are rather smart though.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

With all due respect,

I've learned a few things today

1. J Scotty Thompson has been completely discredited by the undisputed experts on this forum

That's a bit of an understatement on your part; lots more people than those who regularly post on this forum have taken Thompson's book to task. At best his book can be likened to the curate's egg...

2. The MacKinnon book, of which I have only seen the one passage provided here, which details highland evening worn with every victorian edged weapon and accesory possible, worn as the equivelent of morning dress if you substitute an silver four in hand tie, is the holy grail.

Scottish Tartans and Highland Dress by C.R. MacKinnon isn't the "holy grail", but you would probably be well advised to glom on to a copy and read it, before further commenting on it's content. Specifically you might want to look at pages 97-99 which cover the various categories of dress, and are at variance with what you have suggested in your posts.

3. The POW, Duke of Argyll, and the Jardine-Paterson lad just dont know what they are doing and need to be schooled by the moderators of this forum.

Huh? I don't recall anyone on this forum suggesting that these gentlemen are in anyway inappropriately attired... the postings are quite the contrary.

4. If you offer ideas, thoughts, pictures that don't jive with the pre-concieved notions of some on this forum, you are a troll

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. However, there are a few on this forum who have regularly worn Highland attire for well more than half a century and their opinions are coloured by an actual lifetime of first hand experience, as opposed to any sort of preconception derived from a book on how to wear the kilt.

To quote what you said to JSFMACLJR in post #28-- "Don't be so testy."

[smacw]

Tartan trews and a morning coat???At the same time??? Wow! That's a new one!!!!!!

Quite old actually, since Victorian times

[smacw]

If I may - MacKinnon does not, as you have inferred from a single passage, push "every Victorian edged weapon... ...possible." He is partial to dirks and says as much, though he specifically instructs those interested, with the exception of those whose rank requires the wearing of a sword with court dress, to hang their swords up at home.

MacKinnon shares very strong opinions about silver-mounting, buttons, highland cuffs, etc., though he is quite clear in stating that those are his preferences and including other options which are, in his opinion, less attractive.

I've actually found his Tartans and Highland Dress to be a valuable resource for understanding traditional Highland dress and hope that you might reconsider your bias and give the book a chance.

Quite open minded and will seek out a copy. Like you I have my personal preferences, none of which are off the reservation.

[CMcG]

1. J Scotty Thompson has been completely discredited by the undisputed experts on this forum

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4. If you offer ideas, thoughts, pictures that don't jive with the pre-concieved notions of some on this forum, you are a troll

I'll get you guys a wedding picture soon and will brace for the slings and arrows

<snip> Like you I have my personal preferences, none of which are off the reservation.

Could you tell us a bit about your background, your perspective, and how you came to form your opinions about Highland attire? Everyone is entitled to their own preferences but the "pre-conceived notions" you wrote about are actually the norms of THCD (traditional Highland civilian dress).

I often defer to the experts on this forum because some of them have been regular kilt wearers for twice as long as I've been alive Some of them are Scots living in Scotland. Others are members of the Scottish diaspora but have developed their expertise in traditional matters through research or by making regular trips to the motherland to experience Highland culture firsthand. That's not to say their word goes unquestioned, but I recognize the value of their authority in matters of tradition.

I sincerely look forward to seeing your pictures

[Jock Scot]

Quite old actually, since Victorian times

Well OK, I have said that I live and learn and on this particular subject I am learning, do you have a source of facts on this, so that I can educate myself?

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Quite old actually, since Victorian times

Really? Perhaps you could post a photo or cite a reference?

[Livingston]

The Livingston wedding probably wasn't morning suit, but rather lounge suit level of formality. The fellow on the right was probably an army officer judging by his tie.
Aren't they lowlanders anyway?;-)

In the Argyll shot, a guest in the background is clearly wearing a morning coat, therefore his day jacket and waistcoat in dark blue worsted suiting (like my gray borrowed form the POW) with formal sporran would seem to be the highland convention for that level of formality. I don't have "So you're Going to Wear the Kilt" handy, but I believe Thompson details much the same for daytime formal and /or adapting the black argyle jacket w/o silver buttons, hitting much the same note.

Nope, they're Highlanders from the Isle of Lismore, just off Oban. That is the Baron's brother.

[Livingston]

They most certainly are NOT Lowlanders!

And no, Sandy Livingstone is not an army officer. Furthermore, gentlemen not in the kilt wore morning coats. Don't be so presumptuous, sir.

Thank you. I did not get passed the post talking about Lowlanders to see your's.