Belted plaid with a drawstring.

[Sir William]

Thank you, Peter. Your paper is most informative, and it (especially the illustrations) confirms some of my ideas of how to make a drawstring plaid. I presume that the same technique might also have been used to make an early 18th c. drawstring feileadh beag. Although none of those has survived and reenactors obviously can't document the practice, I think it is logical to assume that a feileadh without the pleats sewn in would have been donned the same way.

My thoughts as well.

Thanks for the paper.

[Sir William]

Oh and to Mike, would it be possible to start another thread for information on the Austrian tartans, including an artefact recovered at the Hallstatt site in Österreich? I have a soft spot for the Salzburg area.

Tschüß!

I lived in Graz for a year so I've sometimes thought about getting the Steirmark tartan.

[Mike_Oettle]

At Herr Doktor’s request, a posting on Austrian tartans:
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...tartans-66758/

And my thanks to Peter for the fascinating article on the belted plaid. I look forward to the companion article.
Regards,
Mike

[Brasilikilt]

I really feel as though I should thank you for your research and hard work in putting all this information together.
For the longest time I had been wanting to know about the BP drawstring, and how exactly it was done.
Thanks to you, no longer am I going to have to be on my knees at an event having to do the same laborious task of pleating 4-6 yards time and time again.

Would you be able to offer any insight as to what they used for the actual tape which forms the loops?

[figheadair]

I really feel as though I should thank you for your research and hard work in putting all this information together.
For the longest time I had been wanting to know about the BP drawstring, and how exactly it was done.
Thanks to you, no longer am I going to have to be on my knees at an event having to do the same laborious task of pleating 4-6 yards time and time again.

Would you be able to offer any insight as to what they used for the actual tape which forms the loops?

You're welcome. I feel that it's important to make this sort of stuff available to ensure that it's not lost. Imagine if you will a fire in which it or something similar was destroyed - we'd never know.

It's not the best qaulity I'm afraid but here's a close up of the tape.



It's a narrow herrngboned cotton material. I don't know what the technical term for it is but it reminds me of a narrower version of the bands we used to wear when I was at Primary School (5-11) during team games to indicate which side one was on.

[Herr Doktor]

Guten Abend!


At long last my computer has awakened from its coma! A GCS 9 = E2 V3 M4 (Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS)) and I had my doubts whether the patient would pull through. Would there be a partial or total memory loss? Would poor Mr. Vista have to be sent out to live in the back garden with the other vegetables, and spend his last days just sitting there drooling MS-DOS from his hard drive???

No! He lives and can still remember all those codes and important things and does not scream ERROR 404 and go all black and pouty when you ask him to reboot! Grüß Gott!!!!!!!!

So now I can properly thank Peter for his most informative paper on the John Murray MacGregor plaid. Extremely well written, and I found the illustrations were especially helpful in the understanding of the process. I too look forward to the companion article. The next step will to be make a mock up of the kilt in small scale to see how the system wants to work, and as is my nature try a few ‘tweaks’ of my own to see if I can make it more efficient. Ordnung muß sein! What can I say?

Danke sehr Mike! For the link to the post on the Austrian tartans! I will try to find some time this week to look into them. And no, I was not previously aware of the Austrian tartans. There, I have learned something new this week, it has not been a total loss.

Thank you all for your contribution to this tread.

Tschüß!

[Fitzy]

You're welcome. I feel that it's important to make this sort of stuff available to ensure that it's not lost. Imagine if you will a fire in which it or something similar was destroyed - we'd never know.

It's not the best qaulity I'm afraid but here's a close up of the tape.

It's a narrow herrngboned cotton material. I don't know what the technical term for it is but it reminds me of a narrower version of the bands we used to wear when I was at Primary School (5-11) during team games to indicate which side one was on.

Cotton in herringbone pattern - we call it "twill tape" on this side of the pond. It's used in many things and comes in various widths and weights.

One of which I'm familiar with is, it was used from the earlest days as listings (anchor points) in auto upholstery, and is still used to this day by many shops who recover auto seats.

Neat idea ! For anyone wanting to do the same, there are companies that sell it on-line. Here's a couple I've used.

http://www.jkmribbon.com/store/catal...ll-tape,78.htm
http://www.twilltape.com/servlet/the...ll-tape/Detail

Paul.

[Orvis]

For those of you in the US central Atlantic area, you can get both wool twill tape and cotton twill tape (both in various colors and width) at reasonable cost from the Needle and Thread fabric/sewing shop near Gettysburg PA. N&T bought out the stock of Wooded Hamlet a couple of years ago and now handle that brand.

http://www.woodedhamlet.com/tapes_braids/index.html

[Brasilikilt]

You're welcome. I feel that it's important to make this sort of stuff available to ensure that it's not lost. Imagine if you will a fire in which it or something similar was destroyed - we'd never know.

It's not the best qaulity I'm afraid but here's a close up of the tape.



It's a narrow herrngboned cotton material. I don't know what the technical term for it is but it reminds me of a narrower version of the bands we used to wear when I was at Primary School (5-11) during team games to indicate which side one was on.

Ahhh....thanks for the pic, and the description. I will look for anything like this among my supplies.
Is the tape similar in weight and feel to standard denim perhaps?
Even with thicker weight cloth tape, it seems like it might fray, or wear through.
I was thinking about possibly using a thinner leather, although I have no idea if there is any historical precedence for this.

thanks again......I will be needing to start the arduous task of stitching in the loops on my 4.5 yarder soon :-)

[Fitzy]

Ahhh....thanks for the pic, and the description. I will look for anything like this among my supplies.
Is the tape similar in weight and feel to standard denim perhaps?
Even with thicker weight cloth tape, it seems like it might fray, or wear through.
I was thinking about possibly using a thinner leather, although I have no idea if there is any historical precedence for this.

thanks again......I will be needing to start the arduous task of stitching in the loops on my 4.5 yarder soon :-)

Brasilikilt,
Yes, twill tape can be similar to the various weights of denum, and even heavier. But, unlike denum and other woven fabrics, the herringbone weave of twill tape helps reduce the cut ends fraying all the way back to a stitch line if you choose not to hem the ends.

Plus, twill tape is rather strong for it's weight.

Looking at the picture, I get the impression that they used lighter weight twill tape than I use in my auto upholstery work.

What surprises me is that I was not aware the use of twill tape was that early.

Paul.