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    Quote Originally Posted by WBHenry View Post
    Do you happen to have a copy of the actual grant? Does it specifically withthold a crest from your father? Or is it merely saying (or assumed) that he is entitled to both and that it is the galero that is being withheld from his descendents (by implication)? Read the document carefully. This could simply be a misunderstanding between something that is "permissive" and something that is "proscribed." He should be entitled to both; you are only entitled to his crest (unless you also happen to be an Episcopal priest).

    Thank you, MoR, for clearing the cobwebs out of my mind on this with your post above.
    No need for the patronizing attitude, Mr. Henry: I'm quite knowledgeable about Scots heraldry.

    Yes, I have the LP hanging in my living room. It reads:
    "And further ( secundo ) we do hereby Grant Warrant to the Lyon Clerk to matriculate in Our said Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland in name of the Petitioner the following Ensigns Armorial as also depicted upon the right margin hereof, VIDELICET:- Quarterly, 1st, Argent, a rock Gules; 2nd, Or, a dexter hand fesswise couped Gules holding a cross crosslet fitchee in pale Azure; 3rd, Or, on a sea undy Azure and Argent a lymphad sails furled oars in saltire Sable flagged Gules; 4th, Argent, in chief two eagles' heads respectant erased Gules beaked and eyed Azure, in base a salmon naiant Proper, overall a cross raguly Sable charged at the centre with a maple leaf and in chief and in base with two fleurs de lys Or and in the flanks with two salmon naiant Argent, a bordure indented Vert. The Shield ensigned of an ecclesiastical hat corded and tasselled of one tassel on either side Sable, and in an Escrol under the same this Motto "Honestas Altera Merces"; and for his Lay heirs an Helm befitting their degree, with a Mantling Gules doubled Argent, and on a Wreath of the Liveries is set for Crest a beaver sejant erect holding in its dexter paw a Lochaber axe Proper, and in an Escrol over the same this Motto "SEEK HONOUR BY DOING GOOD."
    It is clear from the LP that my father, the Petitioner, was not granted a crest. I may need to backtrack slightly, though...I said that Lord Lyon would not grant a crest to my father. Actually, my father in his Petition, did not pray for a crest, for the very reason that he was a Clerk in Holy Orders. If he had wanted one, I am sure Lord Lyon would have seen fit to grant one--but maybe not!
    Last edited by JSFMACLJR; 10th June 11 at 08:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR View Post
    No need for the patronizing attitude, Mr. Henry: I'm quite knowledgeable about Scots heraldry.
    Quite often, one of the shortcomings of internet communications is trying to determine the attitude or intent of a "speaker." Since we have not communicated with each other before, and since I have no idea how well-versed you might be in Scottish heraldry (and with an eye toward any curious people who may be reading this thread with a limited understanding of heraldry), I was simply trying to clarify what the situation was with your father's grant. If my wording offended you, that was not my intent. My sincere apologies.
    The Rev. William B. Henry, Jr.
    "With Your Shield or On It!"

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