Difference between leather and traditional kilt

[seanachie]

but I have read with interest a number of Robert Pel's posting and I tend to doubt it would be easy to button hole his customers into one category or another. Of course too, it is worth mentioning that RKilts sticks to construction similiar to a traditional kilt with some modern adaptations. I can only speak to the hemp, but the aprons and pleats feel quite traditional.

[Chas]

Even better, search for "BDSM kilt"...

That is a stereotype, which SOME people might apply. I think it is overstating the case to say categorically leather kilts are judged that way. I also think much of the perception would depend on how it was worn. Jimmy, do you have a pic of yourself or could you at least give us a description?

Perhaps Chas' mental category for leather kilts is more like this:

Yes, of course it is a stereotype. But that doesn't diminish the fact that it is a valid perception. There are those who will see it that way - fact. That is all I was saying.

As to my mental category, you will please note that I deliberately wrote in the third person so as not to make a personal judgement. I believe that my first post was clear and unambiguous and I find it strange that you could interpret it differently. I will not have words or beliefs attributed to me to which I do not subscribe.

I am sitting in England as I write this, you are in Canada - of course our perceptions are going to be different.

Regards

Chas

[CMcG]

Yes, of course it is a stereotype. But that doesn't diminish the fact that it is a valid perception. There are those who will see it that way - fact. That is all I was saying.

As to my mental category, you will please note that I deliberately wrote in the third person so as not to make a personal judgement. I believe that my first post was clear and unambiguous and I find it strange that you could interpret it differently. I will not have words or beliefs attributed to me to which I do not subscribe.

I am sitting in England as I write this, you are in Canada - of course our perceptions are going to be different.

Regards

Chas

No offense intended Chas. The difficulty with your use of the non-specific third person of "it" is that there can be an implied authority without any actual attribution of a source. The first part of your initial post was unequivocal about how a leather kilt is perceived, without mitigation by words such as "some," "can," or "might." The categorical quality of your statement would therefor include yourself in the opinion holding. My apologies if the beliefs you wrote about are not actually your own.

In the second line when you wrote that "many would shy away from them," I read that many people would not wear them. From the OP we know that Jimmy got extra attention when he wore his, meaning that people don't necessarily shy away from interacting with people wearing a leather kilt.

Sorry for misinterpreting you!

[McClef]

I cannot of course comment upon the expectations of family get togethers regarding Grans in Norfolk Chas but they may vary around the country.

In Bolton they are alleged to be like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygy7UDADXDg

Oh and some guys in leather in that one too!

If one could only look at a leather kilt and take it for itself rather than automatically make references to a perceived stereotype then the validness or otherwise of individual perceptions is made powerless.

[Cowher]

I have to agree with Chas. Before I wore kilts I looked at utilikilts and the like as well as leather kilts and they were worn by homosexuals in my area. That's the only time I EVER saw someone wearing a leather kilt. Now I am more educated and I kind of like the look of a brown leather kilt and I don't associate them with the local homosexual community. It's kinda funny the best coffee shop in my area is owned by a homosexual guy. I go there often. As suggested in my thread on kilted anxiety I went out kilted to a small place where I wouldn't feel overwhelmed by peoples reaction. When I walked in he started talking to me as usual and asked about the kilt. It was all typical questions about tartan, if I was Scottish or Irish, and why I was wearing it. He then said that his husband and him went to Boston for a "gay day". He said he saw a lot of guy in kilts and thought the looked attractive then he said something that made my burst out in laughter. He said "but you look like a straight guy in a kilt!" I cracked up. "what makes someone wear a kilt gay or straight?" I asked. "I don't know.... You look like a man man not like a may-on! Plus I think more of the gay guys wore the kilt at the hips or a leather kilt." he answered.
I thought it was interesting comment by a proud gay man about his own community.
By the way there was a attractive older woman in the corner who said "I disagree! He looks like a MAY-ON to me!!! Roar!"

[CMcG]

I would like to add another thing to my earlier comments about stereotyping. In my books there is nothing wrong with either being gay or wearing a leather kilt, and doing both together is just fine too. It's Pride week in Toronto, so I think I'm especially sensitized to TBLG issues...

[Tobus]

He said "but you look like a straight guy in a kilt!" I cracked up. "what makes someone wear a kilt gay or straight?" I asked. "I don't know.... You look like a man man not like a may-on! Plus I think more of the gay guys wore the kilt at the hips or a leather kilt." he answered.
I thought it was interesting comment by a proud gay man about his own community.
By the way there was a attractive older woman in the corner who said "I disagree! He looks like a MAY-ON to me!!! Roar!"

Pardon my ignorance on modern slang terminology, but what is a may-on? I tried googling that term and only came up with references to a volcano by that name.

[McClef]

I always find it amusing when people go on about what "homosexuals wear" as if there were some garments exclusive to them and that anyone else who wears them were going to be viewed as guilty by association.

In some places anyone wearing a kilt of any sort is automatically suspect to begin with.

I can remember when pink shirts and ear rings were also suspect though they are now generally accepted in most places.

I am given to understand that some homosexuals have also been spotted wearing trousers and blue jeans and as for shorts well what can one make of all those Bavarian gentlemen in their Lederhosen?

And does it not show that we must be careful in how we phrase things when we feel we must to refer to a stereotype by making sure the appropriate qualifiers. I cannot see why it was felt necessary in this case to react to the fact that one of our members had attended a family event in a leather kilt - hardly a Pride march or a dungeon in a leather bar was it?

[Jock Scot]

A perception, based on ignorance, or knowledge is still a perception and however frustrating that undoubtedly is, to the knowledgeable, a perception of any kind is human and often far from perfect. That is life I am afraid.

[Chas]

A perception, based on ignorance, or knowledge is still a perception and however frustrating that undoubtedly is, to the knowledgeable, a perception of any kind is human and often far from perfect. That is life I am afraid.

Thank you, Jock.

Any way the leather kilt was a converstaion piece and I suppose I enjoyed the attention but I am sure that some people would love to wear a kilt either traditional, modern or even leather but for some reason they don't seem to have the courage to do so and this is in Scotland

I tried in my first post to reply to Jimmy's comments, honestly and without malice and certainly without any hidden agenda. If others want to attribute other motives or meanings to my post, then that is their problem, not mine. I will take no further part in this thread.

Regards

Chas