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                                                6th July 11, 06:39 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Fraser Hines played the character of Joe Sugden in the original Emmerdale Farm tv series, the same actor is kilted in early Doctor Who episodes. 
 Tom
 
 Ps: my favourite Doctor Who was the original played by William Hartnell!! see these links:
 
 http://video.uk.msn.com/browse/tv-sh...tag=doctor+who
 
 http://video.uk.msn.com/watch/video/...de-1/12gqpn2oy
 
 PPs: I must be getting old!!
 
				
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                                                6th July 11, 08:05 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	For those who don't know what we are talking about it is the UK TV soap Emmerdale Farm (the Farm bit has since been dropped) in which Frazer Hines played the (non kilted) character of Joe Sugden.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by madmacs   You are sir correct... it's been a long time since i've had the opportunity to watch, though i think joe had been written out already and the Dingles were taking over everything... 
 His character was alas killed off in a car crash in 1995 in Spain.
 [B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
 Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
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                                                6th July 11, 08:27 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	I appreciate the help. However I did a search for both of these tartans and they are both nothing like the Kilt used in the series.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by madmacs   Was originally diacussed in 2007... The following was posted by Arlen
 " My sister kindly checked online as she's a big Doctor who fan. Apparently it was made specifically for the BBC, but it's a mix of California tartan and the Logan tartan. Was made for the producer by a friend to celebrate his scottish roots and 40th birthday.
 
 You could probably get away with the Logan modern tartan which is close..."
 the colors used in the California Tartan are predominantly Blue and Olive and the Logan Tartan are mostly blues and greens. Both Tartans do not have the same sized shape pattern as the one used in the series. Also I'm pretty sure there were several Kilts used in Jamie's First Story "The Highlanders" so these were probably all from the BBC's Vast Wardrobe they had at the time.
 
				
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                                                6th July 11, 08:29 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					If Jamie was at Culloden, which I think is the case, his tartan would have pre-dated most if not all clan tartans. I also thought he was originally in a great kilt (AFAIK both those and modern kilts were worn in that battle), in which case maybe the philabeg came from the Dr.'s cavernous wardrobe in the Tardis?
				 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                6th July 11, 12:13 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Were these Misters Sugden related to Molly?
   --dbh
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                                                6th July 11, 12:17 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Well, the question was about the tartan used in the photographs in the original post. There's a photograph of Jamie as he originally appeared here (see under the "Appearance" heading, episode: "The Highlanders"), and it looks to me like he's wearing a different tartan. And in the photograph under the "Further Travels" heading (episode: "The Two Doctors") he's wearing the Princess Margaret Rose tartan.
				 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                6th July 11, 02:23 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Hoots mon, wheer’s the man’s sporran? (The first few pictures show him without it, then there is one where he is wearing one – and it seems pretty modern to my eye).Regards,
 Mike
 The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life. [Proverbs 14:27]
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                8th July 11, 10:05 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Matt,
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome   Interesting, my first thought was Maxwell, though MacDonald of Keppoch is another good suggestion.  After looking closely, though, I don't think it is either.  Not sure what it is. 
 MacBean or MacFadean possibly?
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                9th July 11, 07:14 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					The no sporran look is great - thanks for posting those.  There are so many options to the sporran its nice to see the "whole kilt" from time to time.
				 Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton IslandLifetime Member STA.  Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
 "I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."
 
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
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