Wearing a PC in the Daytime??

[Phil]

I'm beginning to suspect British class distinctions, and American antipathy to such things, have a lot to do with the recurring tensions that occur in some of the threads.

You may well be right in that there will always be a tendency by some individuals to rebel instinctively against convention, particularly if they feel that it should not apply to them by reason of their nationality, without truly examining their motive for doing so. I did, however, try to point out in an earlier post that such conventions were not exclusive to Great Britain or its aristocracy but were, in fact, fairly general throughout western Europe as well as the New World, both north and south. My relatives and I are about as far from aristocracy as it is possible to get without dragging our knuckles when we walk but that does not mean that we lack the ability to recognise and follow the conventions necessary to mix comfortably in any society without embarrassing either ourselves or those in whose company we find ourselves. It is a matter of self-respect fundamentally, and if you follow a different path, provided you do so knowingly, then that is your choice and you do so in the full knowledge of that. What this forum is trying, obviously woefully unsuccessfully, is to steer the unwary towards the path of righteousness which they may then stray from at their peril but in the full understanding of what they are doing.

[Monkey@Arms]

What this forum is trying, obviously woefully unsuccessfully, is to steer the unwary towards the path of righteousness which they may then stray from at their peril but in the full understanding of what they are doing.

Nicely put, Phil. I fear it is the tone with which some of the advice is given that gets in the way of its receipt.

Best regards,

Jake

[macwilkin]

Nicely put, Phil. I fear it is the tone with which some of the advice is given that gets in the way of its receipt.

Best regards,

Jake

Unfortunately, Jake, said tone is coming from both sides of the discussion.

Todd

[DWFII]

So DFWII, just so I understand, those people who wore their PCs in the parade in NYC during daylight hours, the Grand Marshall and such, they were ill manered incipient anarchists because a "proper gentleman" would be wearing an Argyll jacket?

Pardon me...with all due respect...it seems my comments have been skewed to make a meaning that clearly wasn't there.

Let's get back to basics...the question was asked, in a forum entitled Traditional Kilts (please take note of this) , whether wearing a PC in the daytime was appropriate. Answers were given that were pertinent and in context.

If there are people who don't want to hear what someone who has a high regard for tradition and convention and manners, has to say in this regard, then perhaps the question should have been asked somewhere else.

As for folks wearing PC's at a daylight parade...well, let me offer this perspective: if ill manners and anarchistic leanings are, as I suspect, more a matter of mental sloth than ideology, wearing a PC at a daylight event might qualify. If ill manners are a matter of poverty or necessity, well that's another matter but being another matter and perhaps excusable, doesn't obviate the need to know and acknowledge the proper usage of a Prince Charlie coatee.

Now you've gotten an answer from another someone whose natural bent is towards tradition and convention...and I ask your forebearance if I point out that you've come into the "House of Tradition" to get that answer. Answer me this...is that not what you were seeking?

[Monkey@Arms]

Unfortunately, Jake, said tone is coming from both sides of the discussion.

Todd

Ah, but Todd, the distinction is that one "side" rarely tells the other that how they dress is wrong.

Best regards,

Jake

[Panache]

Todd,

The problem is that there are great number of gentlemen on XMTS who have dressed according to some modern conventions and there have been a smaller second group saying to the first "you are wrong!"

It has left the first group feeling a tad peeved.

All the gentlemen wearing modern highland formal wear are not wrong.

They are abiding to a modern convention.

The inability of the second group to allow that it is a modern tradtion (and therefore valid) is the entire reason behind the arguments.

Cheers

Jamie

[macwilkin]

Ah, but Todd, the distinction is that one "side" rarely tells that how they dress is wrong.

Best regards,

Jake

Calling someone a "kilt nazi", "kilt police" or "kilt taliban" is just as bad in my book.

As a traditionalist, while I may not agree with someone's choices regarding the kilt, I would never dream of telling them they're wrong. I can't speak for other traditionalists, but I can speak for myself.

Regards,

Todd

[Panache]

Calling someone a "kilt nazi", "kilt police" or "kilt taliban" is just as bad in my book.

Todd,

I don't think Jake was doing that here.

Cheers

Jamie

[macwilkin]

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[macwilkin]

Todd,

I don't think Jake was doing that here.

Cheers

Jamie

Regardless of who says it, it's still just as bad, Jamie.

Not all traditionalists feel that those who choose to wear modern variants of Highland attire are "wrong " per se -- their choices may not be "right" for myself, and may not especially follow custom, but I would never say they are wrong.

Regards,

Todd

T.