Clergy Kilt?

[Iain Robb]

Just about any criteria I could think of for wearing the clergy tartan would be artificial and/or exclude people who would have a legitimate reason for wearing it.

For instance, there are people serving God as full-time ministers and in other roles who are not ordained. And there are ordained pastors and missionaries who work another job full-time.

Speaking as someone who is ordained and serving full-time, and who owns a wears a kilt in the clergy tartan, I'm glad there's nobody going around and policing who is allowed and who is not allowed to wear the clergy tartan.

I'd say, as with any tartan, if you feel you are entitled to it (and there are no set criteria), wear it respectfully, and feel comfortable talking with other folks about why you wear it, then go for it.

If you're doing all that and someone else had a problem with it, it's their problem. It sounds like the OP feels he is not entitled to wear it. That's his choice, and I appreciate the respect he shows for the tartan and what it stands for.

[Mike_Oettle]

A bit of clarity here: while the Mighty Men tartan has the approval of Angus Buchan, the man who hosted the first series of Mighty Men conferences on his farm and continues to preach at further conferences under that banner, it is more a symbol of the Christian Faith than being specifically tied to the Mighty Men movement.
That said, I am most interested in Hugh’s design project.

And while the Clergy tartan has not been given the seal of approval of any particular Christian organisation (denominational or otherwise) it has historically been associated with ministers of the Christian Church (of various denominations).
It is stretching the definition of cleric/clergy to apply it to ministers of any other belief system. Since the Scottish churches (Presbyterian, Episcopal and Roman Catholic) all stood in opposition to witchcraft, it is especially inappropriate to appropriate this tartan for the use of followers of European pagan beliefs.
Please note that I am not condemning those who hold such beliefs. I am merely pointing out a matter of historical usage.
Regards,
Mike

[Burly Brute]

But seriously, there is a thread concerning the interest in creating this tartan elsewhere on the board entitled, "Do you want this tartan?".

Sweet, I am down! It would be a nice addition to wear to seminary until ordination! Boom!...apparently I just like saying "boom!".

[Father Bill]

A bit of clarity here: while the Mighty Men tartan has the approval of Angus Buchan, the man who hosted the first series of Mighty Men conferences on his farm and continues to preach at further conferences under that banner, it is more a symbol of the Christian Faith than being specifically tied to the Mighty Men movement.
That said, I am most interested in Hugh’s design project.

And while the Clergy tartan has not been given the seal of approval of any particular Christian organisation (denominational or otherwise) it has historically been associated with ministers of the Christian Church (of various denominations).
It is stretching the definition of cleric/clergy to apply it to ministers of any other belief system. Since the Scottish churches (Presbyterian, Episcopal and Roman Catholic) all stood in opposition to witchcraft, it is especially inappropriate to appropriate this tartan for the use of followers of European pagan beliefs.
Please note that I am not condemning those who hold such beliefs. I am merely pointing out a matter of historical usage.
Regards,
Mike

For me, that's a comfortable reminder of the origins of the tartan, and perhaps at least through that context, a good definition of appropriate useage.

[davidlpope]

Only one problem with this, David. Dalgliesh is now only taking trade orders. They'll have to find a kilt-maker or similar who will order it for them.

ith:

Correct. The golden age of dealing directly with the weaver has passed into history. More's the pity.

That being said, one can either order through Scotweb as I mentioned or any other retailer with a Dalgliesh trade account.

[biblemonkey]

Sweet, I am down! It would be a nice addition to wear to seminary until ordination! Boom!...apparently I just like saying "boom!".

And a mighty fine "Boom!" right back at ya.

[Chas]

Correct. The golden age of dealing directly with the weaver has passed into history. More's the pity.

That being said, one can either order through Scotweb as I mentioned or any other retailer with a Dalgliesh trade account.

It seems like only yesterday that we were told that it was the salvation of civilisation as we know it!

Regards

Chas

[artificer]

It seems like only yesterday that we were told that it was the salvation of civilisation as we know it!

Regards

Chas

I'm quite sure it was phrased a bit differently than that. Surely you can't deny that preserving the last true custom weaver of kilting tartan material is important?

ith:

[Chas]

I'm quite sure it was phrased a bit differently than that. Surely you can't deny that preserving the last true custom weaver of kilting tartan material is important?

I can't deny that. It's just that I've been told that there are others.

Regards

Chas

[Detroitpete]

A bit of clarity here: while the Mighty Men tartan has the approval of Angus Buchan, the man who hosted the first series of Mighty Men conferences on his farm and continues to preach at further conferences under that banner, it is more a symbol of the Christian Faith than being specifically tied to the Mighty Men movement.
That said, I am most interested in Hugh’s design project.

And while the Clergy tartan has not been given the seal of approval of any particular Christian organisation (denominational or otherwise) it has historically been associated with ministers of the Christian Church (of various denominations).
It is stretching the definition of cleric/clergy to apply it to ministers of any other belief system. Since the Scottish churches (Presbyterian, Episcopal and Roman Catholic) all stood in opposition to witchcraft, it is especially inappropriate to appropriate this tartan for the use of followers of European pagan beliefs.
Please note that I am not condemning those who hold such beliefs. I am merely pointing out a matter of historical usage.
Regards,
Mike

Please let us tread VERY lightly here. We've done a fine job thusfar in discussing the subject posed by the OP without crossing lines that would violate our forum rules. Some would take offense to the use of the term 'witchcraft', primarily because during the period noted, practice of any faith other than Christianity, ergo "Pagan" could have been deemed witchcraft--not just the non-Christian practices of Western Europe. Telling an ordained cleric that he is not entitled to wear the Clergy tartan is going a bit too far, in my opinion.

I offer this just as an observation and not a challenge for debate on this forum. Feel free to contact me via PM if any wish to carry this discussion onward with me. Let's keep this focused back on the OP's discussion of creation of this tartan. Thank for for allowing me this opportunity to address this point. If the Moderators believe that this post steps out of line with regard to our rules, please feel free to delete it.