Really are they that scared!

[neloon]

" As has been commented here (was it in fact you, perhaps, or someone else?) We're all Jock Tamson's bairns."
Was me, Bill - message 94.

Alan

[neloon]

Peter,
Thanks for clarification/education.
We seem to have come a long way from prom-wear! What fun!!

Alan

[Peter Crowe]

Peter,
Thanks for clarification/education.
We seem to have come a long way from prom-wear! What fun!!

Alan

Probably my fault Alan but the whole Jacobite escapade portrayed as a poor wee Scotland v big bad England contest brings out my Scottish historian/teacher desire to educate folk

[TheOfficialBren]

Peter, weren't there also Jacobites in England?

[Dale Seago]

Peter, weren't there also Jacobites in England?

Indeed there were, and in Ireland too. Here's a Jacobite song from Ireland in Gaeilge, in praise of the Bonny Prince:

http://youtu.be/qDlCM_Mwtys

[Peter Crowe]

Peter, weren't there also Jacobites in England?

Like Dale said there were Jacobites in England and Ireland. Jacobitism was an ultra-legitimist, largely Roman Catholic (although also Episcopalian in Scotland) movement. In England, Jacobites existed among the gentry of Cumberland, Westmoreland, and Lancashire but they were less likely to actively take part in open rebellion. Understanding the political ideology of Jacobitism explains why Flora MacDonald and many exiled former Jacobites were loyalists during the American War of Independence. It is less of a political leap from Jacobitism in the 1740's to supporting George III in the 1770's against the American Revolution.

It is speculated that in the south west Highlands (Glencoe, Appin, Mull, Lochaber, Morvern) the clans were under particular stress with the encroachment of a more modern mercantilist society and economy so that loyalty to the Stuarts was a symptom of feelings of alienation in a changing world, and an act of opposition to the power of the Duke of Argyll (Clan Campbell). Think also on the Agrarian Revolution in the Lowlands and England, and the effect of Marshal Wade's Roads and Forts opening up the Highlands to a changing economy where wealth was understood in terms of productive land and trade and not men at arms.

There was also disaffection with the Union, although that existed among Presbyterians too (Porteous Riots etc.) According to the historian, Linda Colley in her seminal work Britons, widespread Scottish acceptance of the Union and the concept of shared Britishness came about later during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars.

[TheOfficialBren]

Those are all interesting points, if not somewhat ironic, with regard to Cumberland since (coreect me if I am wrong) it was the Duke of Cumberland, William, who was largely responsible tof the razing of the Highlands post-Culloden.

[Downunder Kilt]

Those are all interesting points, if not somewhat ironic, with regard to Cumberland since (coreect me if I am wrong) it was the Duke of Cumberland, William, who was largely responsible tof the razing of the Highlands post-Culloden.

OB there is a lot of difference between the Gentry of Cumberland and the Duke of Cumberland

[TheOfficialBren]

Ah! That is very true, DK. Valid point.

[Jock Scot]

Jock,----------

What a smashing picture and what a lovely fish! Now my first thought was Atlantic salmon, but I wonder(looking at the bit of tail that I can see) if its a steelhead? I have never seen one as we don't have them over here. We have introduced rainbow trout, but they are not migratory and only breed naturally in only one, might be two, rivers in the UK .

Oh, you look a happy chappie too!