Boy Scout kilts

[Kiltdad]

To all you Venturing Crews who have gone kilted - I am in need of a few pairs each of the recently discontinued gray cotton Venturing shorts or long pants in size 36. New or used condition is fine. Please drop a pm if you are able to help.

Thanks.

John

[Biathlonman]

I was a Scouter (Scoutmaster) here in Canada for several years, and often saw that very senior Scout leaders would wear kilts, despite it not being part of "official" dress.

There are many photos of Lord Baden-Powell wearing a kilt, and the present Chief Scout of Great Britain doing so, but I would wear it when I took my Cubs or Scouts to Remembrance Day services around Nov 11 at the churches that sponsored us. I used my Scout hose and flashes, and the kilt was my own family one. Always got good comments of course.

Made the gross error of checking it "legality" with Scouts Canada HQ and despite multiculturalism etc - if I was a Sikh I could wear a turban - I was told absolutely to cease and desist. It would have made a fabulous media story - the kind to make people's blood boil - but there was little benefit slamming an organization with lots of problems anyway, that was already downplaying the uniform to make Scouts virtually invisible. Not long afterward my son left Scouts and that was that.
Canada ironically is perhaps more kilt-friendly than Scotland in many respects, so say many Scots.

[Chas]

There are many photos of Lord Baden-Powell wearing a kilt

NO THERE ARE NOT! Please read the WHOLE thread.

Regards

Chas

[Biathlonman]

I read the entire thread as you suggested - undoubtedly the founder of the Boy Scouts went kilted on occasion. There may not be many photos to prove it but there are a few, certainly.

There's provision in the Scout dress regulations in both Scotland and Australia for kilts - none in Canada to my knowledge, which would be a PR problem for Scouts Canada should someone make an issue of it.

Like all Scout organizations though, they have bigger fish to fry.

[Kilt-alope]

Logically, the absence of proof is not the proof of absence. just because we can't find a photo, does not mean it does not exist. But regardless of if BP wore a kilt or not, if a kilt is not part of the uniform, it's not part of the uniform. BP wore military dress uniforms, but parts of those uniforms are not supposed to be mixed with the Scout uniform.

When I wear a kilt with my scout uniform it is to go with the theme of the event, honestly more of a costume than a uniform (notice my avatar, playing camp golf). I would like kilts to be an option for the Scout uniform but it's not right now. Until it is, I'll save my kilt for events where it fits the theme. Surprisingly often when I'm one of the people planning the events and picking the theme, lol

[Chas]

I read the entire thread as you suggested - undoubtedly the founder of the Boy Scouts went kilted on occasion. There may not be many photos to prove it but there are a few, certainly.

There's provision in the Scout dress regulations in both Scotland and Australia for kilts - none in Canada to my knowledge, which would be a PR problem for Scouts Canada should someone make an issue of it.

Like all Scout organizations though, they have bigger fish to fry.

Undoubtedly, he did not wear a kilt on any occasion. There are no photographs to prove it. First you say there are many photographs; now you are saying that there may not be many. The truth is, it is no more than wishful thinking on your part.

You are not doing B-P's memory any service by claiming something that never happened. As much as we all wish it, we cannot change history, just to suit own own private desires.

There are provisions for wearing a kilt under the UK Scouting regulations, but that has nothing to do with what B-P wore. Some British scouts may wear a turban. Does that mean that B-P was a Sikh? Of course not! Don't mix the two up.

If you, or anyone else, wants to change the uniform regulations in your country, then start agitating and campaigning for a change, but don't try and change history to suit your ends.

Here is your challenge then: produce the pictures that you say exist. No one has found one in the 70 years since he died, but you say you know different. Prove it!

Regards

Chas

[Standard]

Undoubtedly, he did not wear a kilt on any occasion. There are no photographs to prove it. First you say there are many photographs; now you are saying that there may not be many. The truth is, it is no more than wishful thinking on your part.

You are not doing B-P's memory any service by claiming something that never happened. As much as we all wish it, we cannot change history, just to suit own own private desires.

There are provisions for wearing a kilt under the UK Scouting regulations, but that has nothing to do with what B-P wore. Some British scouts may wear a turban. Does that mean that B-P was a Sikh? Of course not! Don't mix the two up.

If you, or anyone else, wants to change the uniform regulations in your country, then start agitating and campaigning for a change, but don't try and change history to suit your ends.

Here is your challenge then: produce the pictures that you say exist. No one has found one in the 70 years since he died, but you say you know different. Prove it!

Regards

Chas

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[Downunder Kilt]

There's provision in the Scout dress regulations in both Scotland and Australia for kilts

Just spoke with Scouting Australia, they have no regulations covering kilt wearing. If you have other information I'll stand corrected

[BoldHighlander]

Here is your challenge then: produce the pictures that you say exist. No one has found one in the 70 years since he died, but you say you know different. Prove it!

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[Woodsman]

jeesh, let's jump all over the new guy. just when i was enjoying the canadian side of scouts too. remember, a scout is friendly, courteous, kind, among other things. sometimes a new perspective can come up with new ways of looking at things. (sorry for all small letters. i'm texting via cell phone and it won't permit capital letters). woodsman, bsa, scoutmaster