The Scottish Wildcat Tartan thread: conceived here on X-Marks!

[Theyoungkiltman]

I cannae believe it... it just gets better and better!

[Benning Boy]

I really like the latest weathered but wild scheme. I too got kinda negative vibes from the narrow yellow stripes. Glad to see them go. I'd like to see the broad black stripe narrowed just a little, it really dominates the sett, they jump out and grab you, and the brown stripe widened, to get more of that tweedy gray/brown were the lines cross.


Without going to the site to check things out again, I recall the Scotweb tartan designer allows selection of weavers colors, which I assume we've been seeing all along, but it also allows the choice of colors from yarn samples, and also by entering RGB or Hex color code. Just out of curiosity, I'd like to see the wildcat tartan, in it's latest form, presented using yarn colors, and by using color codes. I understand the idea was to use weavers colors to save costs. But let's pretend money is no object, and look at what might be done with an unlimited palette.


Also, the yarn sample colors at the Scotweb design page aren't all that are available from Dalgliesh. There are quite a few more that can be seen here:


http://www.dcdalgliesh.co.uk/stock_yarns


Is there anyway we can see what might be done with these additional yarns?


I think there's some of what The Woman would call synchronicity going on here. Cool!

[McMurdo]

Yes I was using weavers colours all along, I thought it was a good idea to keep it on the weavers colours as money really is an object to many, myself included. I honestly don't see the point of using the colour picker as it will turn out to be cost prohibitive, and this is going to cost enough as it is. Besides the more economical the tartan the more orders we might get.

[unixken]

Yes I was using weavers colours all along, I thought it was a good idea to keep it on the weavers colours as money really is an object to many, myself included. I honestly don't see the point of using the colour picker as it will turn out to be cost prohibitive, and this is going to cost enough as it is. Besides the more economical the tartan the more orders we might get.

Agreed. Keep in mind, that in addition to what the mill charges, there will be VAT taxes (17%) for UK buyers, Import Duties for US buyers (which differs, depending upon whether the cloth is to be used for clothing, or furniture/other), and then shipping...

And oh... any overage tacked on for the cats...

[Benning Boy]

Pardon me. I just thought it would be fun to see what imagination turned loose could do. It's OK if you keep yours on a leash.

Yes I was using weavers colours all along, I thought it was a good idea to keep it on the weavers colours as money really is an object to many, myself included. I honestly don't see the point of using the colour picker as it will turn out to be cost prohibitive, and this is going to cost enough as it is. Besides the more economical the tartan the more orders we might get.

[McMurdo]

Pardon me. I just thought it would be fun to see what imagination turned loose could do. It's OK if you keep yours on a leash.

Its not about my imagination, its about trying to do our best to help the cats. For the reasons above I think it best to keep with the weavers colours.

[The Wizard of BC]

There may actually be another, and better way to go about this. One that will not violate Rule #10 as this issue does.

If you really want to help out those trying to preserve your cat how about supporting them and giving them something to work with. Ya, I'm sure they won't turn down your 10% of profits you garner from this fund raiser but would it not be better to do something like -

We here are the Tartan experts. We have many fine Tartan designers, kiltmakers, and kilt wearers.
Hold a side-by-side, head-to-head contest here and invite three or four Tartan designers to submit their creations. Then put the three best up for a vote. Much like was done with the X Marks Tartan.

While this is going on someone contacts all the weavers. There really are not that many. Even a long distance phone call to less than a dozen weavers won't break your allowance. Find out which ones would be willing to support your cause and what deals they are willing to offer for the publicity of weaving the Wildcat Tartan.

When the votes on the winning design come in, Alan as you are the honcho of this, it would be your contribution to the cause to pay the registration fee of £70.00 with The Scottish Register of Tartan.

You then give the Tartan design, on behalf of X Marks, to those who are trying to save your cat. Free, as in gift. You also give them the contact info to the weavers with their offers.

They may than do whatever they want with the design. Perhaps they like the idea of selling the fabric, perhaps not. Their decision.

Those trying to save your cat then get to keep all the profits from any fabric sales. Even the profit of any sales they make to X Marks members.

They and the weavers get to use the publicity as they see fit.

X Marks gets the publicity of designing the Tartan and giving it to support the cause. The winning designer gets the publicity for the winning design selected by "The Kilted Cognizati of X Marks".

The way you are going is actually only going to generate a 10% cash gift from one minimum run of fabric to the cause. Marton Mills minimum is 11 meters. At £53.00 per meter your cash gift is going to be a one time donation of somewhere around $50.00-$75.00 US Dollars.

And in the mean time you have gone totally against the forum's rule #10 by continuing to solicit funds from X Marks members.

Would it not be far more effective to expend the time, effort, and money to start a publicity blitz about all these people, cat people, weavers, kilt wearers, who got together to do something good.
And I can pretty well guarantee that your cat people will end up with far more in their pocket at the end if they get to control the fabric sales.

[Theyoungkiltman]

I disagree about it being a violation of rule 10, as Alan H and McMurdo never asked for funds to be donated to a charity it is more like he is selling a backordered product and one of the benefits of buying it is that a portion would go to Wildcat conservation efforts. As far as having a open contest I am all for it, but as far as the donation of the tartan rights to a wildcat charity I disagree. For instance what charity would get the rights and contributions? Surely there is more than one good organization. What if the charity didn't do anything with it? If this were to happen, the designers and creator (Alan H) would never be able to own any of their work and all the work involved would be wasted. Maybe that should be a stipulation of gaining the rights to the tartan, that the organization must have at least x amount of tartan woven per x period of time. I think that Alan H and the other contributors have been very careful in avoiding a violation of rule 10, and i believe the whole issue should be put under review by ALL of the moderators and they should decide on the issue. Regardless it is about the cats and as I have previously posted, I believe that the current tartan is as close as you can get to truly representing the cat. In the end I hope that this is resolved and all parties (including the moderators) come to an agreement that is best for all parties involved, especially the Scottish Wildcat.

[Tim Little]

I cannae believe it... it just gets better and better!

Yes, indeed!

[Tarheel]

I've read this thread twice a day since it started. I'm still "IN" until the end. There have been no points of etiquette, skill, talent, expertise, violation of rule or practical economics that hasn't been examined. I say, "hammer on mates while the forge is still ablaze!"