Is X Marks the Scot a Clan?

[Mael Coluim]

I like that. But we can yell it if we want to, right?

Right, Dave!
How could we deny our heritage and the famed yell of the Highland Charge! Jim Webb, in his book, Born Fighting (an account of the Scots-Irish contribution to the building of the USA) states the Rebel Yell of the Confederate forces in the War Between The States was southern Scots -Irish descendants using an adopted Highland Charge yell.

But yes, it toasting to FREEDOM with a wee dram the quieter cry would be appropriate.

[macwilkin]

Right, Dave!
How could we deny our heritage and the famed yell of the Highland Charge! Jim Webb, in his book, Born Fighting (an account of the Scots-Irish contribution to the building of the USA) states the Rebel Yell of the Confederate forces in the War Between The States was southern Scots -Irish descendants using an adopted Highland Charge yell.

But yes, it toasting to FREEDOM with a wee dram the quieter cry would be appropriate.

Hmm...I wouldn't put too much stock in that story. The Ulster-Scots, most Lowlanders in origin, rarely adopted anything from the "Wild Highlanders". The former viewed the latter much like they did their Native American opponents on the frontier.

The late historian Grady McWhiney proposed the same theory in his book Attack and Die: Civil War Military Tactics and the Southern Hertiage. McWhiney and others propose that the Confederate soldier was somehow the heir apparent of the Jacobite clansman at Culloden, yet fail to mention that many Scots and Ulster Scots and their descendants fought for the North.

Webb's book is more personal observation; I recommend Leyburn's The Scotch-Irish: a social history for a more reliable examination of the Scots-Irish in early America. Celeste Ray's Highland Heritage also examines the "connection" between the Scots and the Southerner, and takes a more critical look at McWhiney's theories.

Regards,

Todd

[Mael Coluim]

Hmm...I wouldn't put too much stock in that story. The Ulster-Scots, most Lowlanders in origin, rarely adopted anything from the "Wild Highlanders". The former viewed the latter much like they did their Native American opponents on the frontier.

The late historian Grady McWhiney proposed the same theory in his book Attack and Die: Civil War Military Tactics and the Southern Hertiage. McWhiney and others propose that the Confederate soldier was somehow the heir apparent of the Jacobite clansman at Culloden, yet fail to mention that many Scots and Ulster Scots and their descendants fought for the North.

Webb's book is more personal observation; I recommend Leyburn's The Scotch-Irish: a social history for a more reliable examination of the Scots-Irish in early America. Celeste Ray's Highland Heritage also examines the "connection" between the Scots and the Southerner, and takes a more critical look at McWhiney's theories.

Regards,

Todd

Thanks, Todd for your information. I'll definitely put Leyland's book on my to read list. That's the sad part of Civil War; brother against brother.

[andyfg]

I'm astonished! Been away from the internet for a couple of days (visiting the family in Arkansas) . . . Just connected to the net and there is this thread. Jamie, thanks for starting it. I have said on a number of occasions when folk ask, "What is that tartan?" "It's Xmarks, a kind of on-line clan." Of course, it has grown to "more" than online with the kilt nights, members visiting each other, tartan, badge etc. So, I agree, we are "clanlike" at least. Love the "choice, not blood" idea. Love the dandelion idea. Well done all for a creative conversation.

[ChromeScholar]

With who? Will whisky be served?

[dowofbuchanan]

id like an example of the xmarks tartan the weblink i had didnt show one .... i would like a tartan to wear besides the buchanan ... i am however working on making my first kilt which with no objection will be a pink death i like the motto and plant i stand behind the war cry its maroon having read panaches pink thread i read all 174 posts before adding this so i feel i am dedicated to the cause and loyal to clan xmarks mon the hoops

[Arlen]

id like an example of the xmarks tartan the weblink i had didnt show one .... i would like a tartan to wear besides the buchanan ... i am however working on making my first kilt which with no objection will be a pink death i like the motto and plant i stand behind the war cry its maroon having read panaches pink thread i read all 174 posts before adding this so i feel i am dedicated to the cause and loyal to clan xmarks mon the hoops

The Xmarks tartan is the tartan in the background of the site.


Here is Panache our lovely mod in his Xmarks tartan Kilt. (I nicked this pic from his thread so please don't hate me for hotlinking.)

[Nighthawk]

I'm getting in a little late- but I've starting feeling this way and I'm reletively new. Now I need to get myself a clan tartan kilt...

[dowofbuchanan]

where can i buy the cloth and what is the price a yard for single and double width ... after i try my hand at the pink death id like to make my own x marks or use it as a belted plaid soiz i dont ruin it

[Arlen]

where can i buy the cloth and what is the price a yard for single and double width ... after i try my hand at the pink death id like to make my own x marks or use it as a belted plaid soiz i dont ruin it

About once a year they do a run of the tartan. They will announce it on here (Hopefully soon) and everyone who is going to order will put their name in and how much they are ordering.
Then it will all get woven and paid for and the tartan will be sent either to you or the kiltmaker you have asked it to be sent to.

They did have some left on Fraser and Kirkbright's site for a while which had a damaged selvage, but I think that's all gone.


So keep your eyes peeled!