To kilt or not to kilt: A St. Paddy's Day conundrum

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

So if you see someone wearing jeans to you ask them to change, since they are not Irish either and should only be worn by cowboys?

Actually denim jeans (like Levis, etc.) were developed for farm and industrial wear, and were originally a mud-brown colour. Real cowboys preferred hard wearing wool trousers when mounted as "jeans" were the mark of a sod-buster. Anyone who has ridden more than twenty miles a day, for days on end, will attest to the fact that jeans aren't the most comfortable britches in the world. So, to answer your question: Since any Irish man can be a cowboy, but not every cowboy can be an Irish man, the answer is "NO".

[Bugbear]

Then why not wear a liene? It came before the kilt and it's definitely Irish.

Chef, I am working on getting a leine or liene. I'll have to go look up how to spell that again. But didn't the Irish also come up with the sauna, or a version of it? I might be all wrong on that, but if not there's another way to enjoy the seventeenth...

[vespa]

This may have been raised already so my apologies if it has. (I haven't had time to read all 17 pages) But St. Patrick was Scottish, born in Scotland in 372 AD so I don't see a problem with wearing a kilt to honor him.

slainte

Mark

[Ayin McFye]

This may have been raised already so my apologies if it has. (I haven't had time to read all 17 pages) But St. Patrick was Scottish, born in Scotland in 372 AD so I don't see a problem with wearing a kilt to honor him.

slainte

Mark

I'm not argueing with you but Wikipedia says that he was qoute "Saint Patrick (Latin: Patricius[2], Irish: Naomh Pádraig) was a Christian missionary and is the patron saint of Ireland along with Brigid of Kildare and Columba. Patrick was born in Roman Britain ."

Wouldn't that mean he was British?

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

This may have been raised already so my apologies if it has. (I haven't had time to read all 17 pages) But St. Patrick was Scottish, born in Scotland in 372 AD so I don't see a problem with wearing a kilt to honor him.

slainte

Mark

Mark, would it be possible to have a citation for the above referenced St. Patrick? I only ask because the Annals of Ulster mention two dates for the death of Patrick. The first date is 461AD, and that is the year that Bishop Palladius, known as Patrick, died. Palladius, from Brittany, was consecrated Bishop by Pope Celestine in 431AD and arrived in Ireland in 432AD. The Second Patrick, a Romano-Britain, is listed in the Annals as dying in 492AD. Now, if your year of birth for Patrick is correct (and I'm not disputing it) it would mean that he was either 89 years old at the time of his death (first Patrick), or 120 years old at the time of his death (second Patrick). Of course it is possible that there was a third Patrick, pre-dating both Patricks 1 & 2. This might offer a different explanation for the iconography of St Patrick holding a shamrock. Rather than representing the Trinity, it could be a cryptic reference to the Three Patricks.

Such are the beginnings of all conspiracy theories...

[Zardoz]

I'm not argueing with you but Wikipedia says that he was qoute "Saint Patrick (Latin: Patricius[2], Irish: Naomh Pádraig) was a Christian missionary and is the patron saint of Ireland along with Brigid of Kildare and Columba. Patrick was born in Roman Britain ."

Wouldn't that mean he was British?

Actually a Roman citizen living in Britania.

[Bugbear]

Although, I want a Leine that is pleated in the back. Also, I think the openable, robe-like front of the later leine would be nice as well. All I know is that jeans don't fit me very well; the inseam causes me problems; and I can't stand having to constantly pull my pants up or be squeezed by a belt. That is why I like to wear kilt like garments... But not in the sauna.

[vespa]

The source I read that in is Electricscotland.com It states he was born in Dumbarton, in the west of Scotland in about the year 372 of the Christian era. His Father Calpurnius it is supposed, came to Scotland in a civil capacity with the Roman troops. If you like you can read more on the Electricscotland website under the heading "History" then "Significant Scots" then "Patrick, Saint".

slainte

Mark

[macwilkin]

The source I read that in is Electricscotland.com It states he was born in Dumbarton, in the west of Scotland in about the year 372 of the Christian era. His Father Calpurnius it is supposed, came to Scotland in a civil capacity with the Roman troops. If you like you can read more on the Electricscotland website under the heading "History" then "Significant Scots" then "Patrick, Saint".

slainte

Mark

As Rathdown mentioned, there are several other theories of the origin of the "Patricks":

Somerset: http://www.vortigernstudies.org.uk/a...uestjelley.htm

Wales: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest...patricks.shtml

Regards,

Todd

[vespa]

Interesting articles, thanx for the links Todd.

slainte

Mark