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29th September 24, 09:53 AM
#11
Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I am afraid I must differ, to my rather conservative mind, the patterned hose and fancy day sporrans are overdoing things a tad. Fine for some day events, but for me they are rather unnecessary, particularly for general day attire, these days.
Jock here's the more down-dressed style of some of us West Coast USAians at one of our rather warmer Highland Games, where protecting your head from the sun isn't optional (unless you desire skin cancer) and jackets just ain't happening.
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29th September 24, 11:36 PM
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30th September 24, 02:46 AM
#13
Originally Posted by Troglodyte
Could this have been one of those day events they would have been fine for..?
The wondrous sporran being sported by the gent on the right looks like a museum piece, and the badger-mask is something of a classic, too.
Are they necessary as in vital for the success of the event? Who can really say, but a Highland Games is one of the occasions when a man can indulge in a bit of show, rather than dressing down.
Personally, I like to see a man making the effort, and would much rather see this kind of thing on a daily basis, than the ubiquitous denim jeans and hideous hoodie.
I missed this post yesterday, sorry. Its a fair question and deserves an answer.
For the general public at a highland games, in my humble opinion, the attire shown is over-doing it. Smart for sure, but.......
However, if the gentlemen were manning an exhibition, for example, then I think the attire is entirely suitable for what they are doing.
Likewise, if one of those gentlemen were in the Games Chief's party of guests, then the upping one's attire a notch to compliment one's place in that particular party is perfectly acceptable in my view.
To be clear, for the general visitor to a Highland Games, or, country show type of thing, then they can dress smartly without going to the excess demonstrated in your picture. Perhaps the picture was taken out of context?
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30th September 24, 08:14 AM
#14
Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I fully understand the need for protection from the sun, but perhaps a more Scottish and traditional option would be a deerstalker, or a fore and aft, or even a Panama would be a more appropriate option...
As long as it has a brim all around. Scottish tweed options would be things along these lines:
(Because your ears are as susceptible to sunburn as your face or the back of your neck.)
Here it's not just the sun, but sometimes the heat. That's why hats were developed with mesh around the brim, which allows air to circulate and even breezes to blow through. Ditto with straw hats if the straw has an open weave that allows air through.
Interesting that a Panama would be considered "a more Scottish and traditional option" with Highland Dress.
Last edited by OC Richard; 30th September 24 at 08:18 AM.
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30th September 24, 08:42 AM
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Of the top four tweed hats on show, I would only call the top right (fore and aft) a truly Scottish Highland hat, although they are truly universal throughout the UK these days amongst the shooting and fishing country set brigade. I have no idea of the pedigree of the other tweed hats on show and I will be interested to hear other's thoughts on the matter, but I cannot remember anyone wearing them here when wearing the kilt.
As to the panama? In my experience, the panama has been worn with the kilt, in the right conditions, for all of my long life by some and without question. I would recommend them to all in the right conditions.
Just for clarification, ........... although unhelpfully, some Scottish shops reverse this!.............The "fore and aft" is as shown in OCR's post and the "deer stalker"(Sherlock Holmes style) and not shown,has the ear flaps. Both, as far as I am aware , have a Scottish pedigree.
Last edited by Jock Scot; 30th September 24 at 08:58 AM.
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30th September 24, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I missed this post yesterday, sorry. Its a fair question and deserves an answer.
For the general public at a highland games, in my humble opinion, the attire shown is over-doing it. Smart for sure, but.......
However, if the gentlemen were manning an exhibition, for example, then I think the attire is entirely suitable for what they are doing.
Likewise, if one of those gentlemen were in the Games Chief's party of guests, then the upping one's attire a notch to compliment one's place in that particular party is perfectly acceptable in my view.
To be clear, for the general visitor to a Highland Games, or, country show type of thing, then they can dress smartly without going to the excess demonstrated in your picture. Perhaps the picture was taken out of context?
Jock,
As one of the offending individuals, I feel the need to explain myself. There is absolutely a time and place for everything. A couple of weeks apart, this was my dress for the Lonach and Braemar Gatherings respectively. In the case of the latter, I had a seat in the enclosure beside the Royal Box and was in and around the area for much of the day. Knowing a certain person's interest in traditional crafts and workmanship, I took the opportunity to, and make no apology for, showcasing four outstanding organisations.
Shilling & Fitz - Jacket
Margaret Morrison - Sporran
Cathy Hope (Braw Kilts) - Kilt
Glenesk Museum (Folk to Sock project - Hose.
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30th September 24, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by figheadair
Jock,
As one of the offending individuals, I feel the need to explain myself. There is absolutely a time and place for everything. A couple of weeks apart, this was my dress for the Lonach and Braemar Gatherings respectively. In the case of the latter, I had a seat in the enclosure beside the Royal Box and was in and around the area for much of the day. Knowing a certain person's interest in traditional crafts and workmanship, I took the opportunity to, and make no apology for, showcasing four outstanding organisations.
Shilling & Fitz - Jacket
Margaret Morrison - Sporran
Cathy Hope (Braw Kilts) - Kilt
Glenesk Museum (Folk to Sock project - Hose.
Lonach & Braemar 2024.jpg
I thought I recognised the "cut of your jib" Peter!
You don't have to justify your attire choices to anyone, least of all me! Although, I suspected there was a reason for your choices!
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30th September 24, 11:21 AM
#18
Originally Posted by OC Richard
As long as it has a brim all around. Scottish tweed options would be things along these lines:
(Because your ears are as susceptible to sunburn as your face or the back of your neck.)
Here it's not just the sun, but sometimes the heat. That's why hats were developed with mesh around the brim, which allows air to circulate and even breezes to blow through. Ditto with straw hats if the straw has an open weave that allows air through.
Interesting that a Panama would be considered "a more Scottish and traditional option" with Highland Dress.
At some point practicality has to trump style, given the extremes on this continent. I get overheated thinking about wearing a wool hat under a So California sun. My Marine boot camp days there were accompanied by 2nd degree burns on my ears decades ago.
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30th September 24, 01:58 PM
#19
Originally Posted by PiperPadre
At some point practicality has to trump style, given the extremes on this continent. I get overheated thinking about wearing a wool hat under a So California sun. My Marine boot camp days there were accompanied by 2nd degree burns on my ears decades ago.
Then a panama is your option.
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1st October 24, 03:33 AM
#20
Originally Posted by Jock Scot
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As to the panama? In my experience, the panama has been worn with the kilt, in the right conditions, for all of my long life by some and without question. I would recommend them to all in the right conditions.
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Meanwhile, on the Eastcoast USA in the Old Dominion, my southern expression of adopted Highland Dress does include the Panama style wide-brim straw hat and seersucker jacket tailored to kilt wearing.
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