Union Jack Kilt

[arrogcow]

US flag code (ok I don't know if it is enforceable) section 176

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

Adam

[Colin]

This is the best pic I could find of it:

Wasn't this one made by Utilikilts? I thought I remembered someone saying that these were a one time order from Steven for the show. Considering that there are Saltire kilts available, I am sure that someone makes the a kilt with the Union flag on it.

[chasem]

I was always under the impression that you are not allowed to wear the flag, or any part of the flag, but ARE allowed to wear a representation of the flag (ie: a cloth with red and white stripes, and white stars on a blue background, but NOT arranged like the flag itself).

From what I can tell that goes along with the law as posted. Is that accurate?

[lrpddrummie]

Adam,

Thank you for the info. I knew that was part of the code but was not sure if where actually an enforceable law. I did a little more research and I did find the Flag Protection Act of 1989 incorporated the elements of the US flag code plus addtional protections however it was also overturned by the supreme court.

Very interesting thread we got goin on here.

[MacConnachie]

US flag code (ok I don't know if it is enforceable) section 176

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

Adam

I'm not certain how federal code runs, but in many states' statutes, there are advisory statutes and then there are restrictive or legal statutes (someone with a legal background may wish to correct my terminology). An advisory statute will say "should" as in the sections above. The more restrictive form would be to insert "shall" into the above in each location where the word "should" appears.

I'm hoping one of the forum members has considerably more insight into the matter.

Mac

[millar]

Yeah its not enforcible this was a statute that was more for getting votes than anything else. There is a whole US first amendment (Free Speech) issue that is hopefully insurmountable. Besides what would Old Navy do. Half of thier tee shirts have the flag on them.

[Shay]

This is all nice and all, but does anyone know Brit standards of flag usage?

(And all this talk of flags is giving me a severe Eddie Izzard jones, BTW.)

[highlander_Daz]

I wouldnt wear that kilt, The flag of the union is closely associated with Glasgow rangers, the third best team in the SPL, there are a lot of "issues" with the Union flag both north and south of the border and acrosss the Irish sea which discussing would take us both "off topic" and to the murky world of politics.

However that flag is sometimes reffered to as the "butchers apron"

This is from the Government website.



The Union Flag was originally a Royal flag (when the present design was made official in 1801, it was ordered to be flown on all the King's forts and castles, but not elsewhere); it is today flown above Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Sandringham when The Queen is not in residence. The Royal Arms of Scotland (Lion Rampant) is flown at the Palace of Holyroodhouse and Balmoral when The Queen is not in residence.

On news of a Royal death, the Union Flag (or the Royal Arms of Scotland (Lion Rampant) where appropriate) will be flown at half-mast. The Royal Standard is never flown at half mast, as the Sovereign never dies (the new Monarch immediately succeeds his or her predecessor).

The flying of the Union Flag on public buildings is decided by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport at The Queen's command.

The Union Flag is flown on government buildings on days marking the birthdays of members of the Royal family, Commonwealth Day, Coronation Day, The Queen's official birthday, Remembrance Day and on the days of the State Opening and prorogation of Parliament; it is also flown on St David's Day (Wales), St George's Day (England), St Andrew's Day (Scotland), and St Patrick's Day (Northern Ireland).

[arrogcow]

On news of a Royal death, the Union Flag (or the Royal Arms of Scotland (Lion Rampant) where appropriate) will be flown at half-mast.

Just as someone else pointed out that the Union Flag is only called the Union Jack when on a ship, a flag is only flown at half mast on a ship. If it flown half staff elsewhere.

Adam

[highlander_Daz]

Im afraid thats not quite right, the flag definately becomes a "Jack" when flown from the "Jackshaft" of a ship however soliders would often have a small Union flag on their uniforms or vehicles, this can also be the "union Jack" as "jack" is a common slang word for a small or young thing or person.