I LOVE 'Em!! J'Dez Underkilts

**Planopiper** · 25th October 05, 06:23 AM

I guess "kilt protector" is more manly than "half-slip". Maybe guys can consider girdles to fight that beer-belly problem, too. Plenty of precedent for men wearing those. Sure would make the kilts look better on a lot of guys I've seen.

**auld argonian** · 25th October 05, 06:53 AM

DaveDove wrote: "I just can't get behind the white under the kilt."

They probably just used the white in the shot because black didn't photograph as well.

Planopiper wrote: "Maybe guys can consider girdles to fight that beer-belly problem, too."

Odd...bear in mind that I'm a new kilt wearer, but one of my comments to my yet-unconvinced-that-this-is-a-good-thing wife is that the waist band is so wide and firm that it feels like I'm wearing a girdle...not that there's anything wrong with that....

best

AA

**Bob C** · 25th October 05, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Planopiper

I guess "kilt protector" is more manly than "half-slip". Maybe guys can consider girdles to fight that beer-belly problem, too. Plenty of precedent for men wearing those. Sure would make the kilts look better on a lot of guys I've seen.

High-heeled ghillie brogues would make our calves look better, too.

Somebody get busy on that, ok?

**clancelt** · 25th October 05, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Bob C.

High-heeled ghillie brogues would make our calves look better, too.

Somebody get busy on that, ok?

LOL, that was an ugly visual. Thanks. Fishnet kilt hose?

Oh, I better stop :-o

**JDEZ** · 25th October 05, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Freedomlover

I notice that the Jdez folks repeatedly mention "organic" cotton. Is there any other kind?

We use organic cotton because we believe that it is better for the environment. J'DEZ is among many forward thinking apparel companies like Pategonia, REI, Nike, Nordstrom, and H&M who support and encourage sustainable agriculture. The end product is essentially the same, but the farming practices are vastly different. Conventional cotton growers contribute to approximately 25% of agricultural pesticides used worldwide. For instance, the cotton in a standard T-shirt uses about 1/4 pound of pesticides. Most conventional cotton farmers use vast amounts of pesticides, synthetic chemical fertilizers, herbicides and defoliants that end up in the food and water supply. Organic farming practices rely on natural means. Organic cotton is more expensive, but it is a small price to pay for a clean environment. We are proud to say that 100% of our cotton is USDA certified and organically grown in the US.

If you are interested in knowing more about organic cotton see http://www.organicexchange.org

-- Dave

**JDEZ** · 25th October 05, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Freedomlover

Southern Breeze mentioned polypropylene for the obvious benefits. That's a great idea. I may go into the business. After all, a sewing machine is a power tool.

It's not as easy as it looks. Undergarments must be realiably stitched to survive extream and frequent washings. We use several machine operations in the manufacturing of the Underkilts including industrial double-needle 4-thread overlock sergers, and double-needle coverstitch machines. Things like elastic can also be problematic since you often need feed tensioning equipment to properly attach it to stretch fabrics in a consistant manner. All in all, it might set you back more than $25,000 (US) to get set up. Maybe $10,000 if you can find used equipment. We also do all our own pattern and size grading work in CAD and produce cutting room markers on a large format printer. - Without the computer software and hardware, it would be difficult to do niche products like the Underkilt efficiently.

-- Dave

**cavscout** · 25th October 05, 12:02 PM

If you split this garment up each side so it becomes a very wide loin cloth, you elimnate the precise sizing obstacle and have a garment that is significantly more flxible. It might even be practicle to sell an adjustable elastic belt which would be used with panels of this material which could be slid over the belt (only in front, only in back, 1 front/1 back), maybe sell these panels in pairs. If you only use one panel, then you have two to alternate with while the other is in the wash. Maybe sell them in packs of six or more as the cost is significantly less.

I don't think this is for me at this point but just offering ideas to help a product improve. Still not crazy about the blurring of the line between feminine wear and kilts though.

**Riverkilt** · 25th October 05, 01:09 PM

You obviously haven't seen photos of the most luscious Kate from Utilikilts with her chopped UK leather kilt and fishnet hose...

Enough to make this aged male still drool on the keyboard in fits of lust....

Ron

**Freedomlover** · 25th October 05, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by JDEZ

It's not as easy as it looks. Undergarments must be realiably stitched to survive extream and frequent washings. We use several machine operations in the manufacturing of the Underkilts including industrial double-needle 4-thread overlock sergers, and double-needle coverstitch machines. Things like elastic can also be problematic since you often need feed tensioning equipment to properly attach it to stretch fabrics in a consistant manner. All in all, it might set you back more than $25,000 (US) to get set up. Maybe $10,000 if you can find used equipment. We also do all our own pattern and size grading work in CAD and produce cutting room markers on a large format printer. - Without the computer software and hardware, it would be difficult to do niche products like the Underkilt efficiently.

-- Dave

My remark about maybe going into the business was, for those who missed it, tongue in cheek. But I will bet that I could have a polypropylene model (well) made, in modest quantities, in a foreign land for cheap.

**JDEZ** · 25th October 05, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Freedomlover

My remark about maybe going into the business was, for those who missed it, tongue in cheek. But I will bet that I could have a polypropylene model (well) made, in modest quantities, in a foreign land for cheap.

I figured such. Responding to your quote gives me an opportunity to share information about my company and products

Thanks for bringing up the topics!

We manufacture all our products here in the US. We also try to source as much raw materials from the US, Canada and Western Europe as possible. I have a lot of contacts in third-world countries and can opt to utilize cheep labor and materials. However, I don't believe in exploiting people. Some countries have horrific labor practices and dismal restrictions on toxic dumping. We chose to hold to a higher standard of labor practice and environmental concern with the idea that well treated healthy people make better products. - It is also better karma.

I don't know if any of you caught the "Big-Box-Mart" satire on the Jay Leno show the other night. They aired a great spoof on the likes of "Wal-Mart". The sad thing is that what they were poking fun at was largely the truth. The spoof depicted the plight of American workers as more and more imported cheap goods flooded the market through mass discount retailers. - Choking out domestic businesses and diminishing the quality standard of living that made America desirable. I think it would have really hit home with some of you folks who live in those rural towns that seemed to have had the life sucked out of their business districts because one of those big homogenous super discount stores opened up.

I found it online. "Big Box Mart" Movie: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002476.html
(you can also find it at http://www.jibjab.com)

As you can see, I am a real advocate of people wearing diverse and unique attire. - It can't be mass produced. Speaking of such, if anyone wants to try the underkilts in a specific fabric or custom configuration, send be the fabric and sketch and we can get it done.

-- Dave