Boxed knife pleats!?

**Angus** · 13th March 06, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Southern Breeze

Now all we need is the pleat name.

I thought that Military Box Pleat was the name of it? But then again

Maybee Matt or Todd will see this and give us a few words of wisdom, hint hint.

**cavscout** · 13th March 06, 06:22 PM

I think it's called a roll pleat. What's the tartan by the way? Looks great.

**Angus** · 13th March 06, 06:27 PM

Cameron of Erracht

**macwilkin** · 13th March 06, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Angus

I thought that Military Box Pleat was the name of it? But then again

Maybee Matt or Todd will see this and give us a few words of wisdom, hint hint.

Cameron of Erracht, the regimental tartan of the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders. In 1961, they were amalgamted with the Seaforths to form the Queen's Own Highlanders, and then amalgamated again with the Gordons in 1994 to form The Highlanders.

Cheers,

Todd

**Moosehead** · 13th March 06, 07:41 PM

Technically a roll pleat, but the Regiments who use it simply call it box pleat. Seen them before (Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa) but never took a good look. C'mon, I'm not into staring at soldier's butts.

**Pleater** · 14th March 06, 04:22 AM

Now that might be a possibility for the piece of all wool suiting I want to use - it is quite large, and I wanted to make a kilt using all of it.

Now all I need is the nerve to try wearing something with seven layers of fabric in the pleats.

Just keep on with the diet I supose.

The original seems to have about 20 pleats - I wonder what the measurements of one pleat are at the waist, the bottom of the fell, and when fully opened out at the hem.

What weight would the whole kilt be? In a heavy fabric it must be quite considerable.

**M. A. C. Newsome** · 14th March 06, 05:22 AM

This is military box pleating. It's basically what happens when you try and make a box pleated kilt using very narrow pleats. In a "true" box pleat, the pleat depth is about 1/2 of the pleat width so that there is little or no overlap on the inside of the pleat (in other words, if your box pleat is 3" wide, then each pleat is 1.5" deep). This style only uses about 4 yards of cloth.

But when you make a box pleated kilt from 8 yards of cloth, there will be more pleats and they will, by neccesity, be more narrow. This means more cloth inside the pleat. So on one side of the box, the depth will be the same as the pleat width, and on the other side of the box, the remainder of the pleat depth will look more like a knife pleated kilt (just like the picture).

M

**RockyR** · 14th March 06, 07:32 AM

The pleats pictured are VERY SIMILAR to Rolled Pleats. As far as I know, they are called "Stacked Pleats". That's the kind of pleats that Kelly and I did for the "Madonna Kilts" for her re-invention tour. They swing well on BOTH directions which is what she needed on stage in a dancing routine.

The difference between "Stacked and Rolled" is how many times you roll over the fabric.

Here's a link that describes the different types of pleats :

http://costume.dm.net/pleats/

This link has a GREAT explanation of a way to make a box pleats with DEEP PLEATS for improved swing! Matt... may be worth a shot trying to make an 8 yard box pleated kitl!

**way2fractious** · 14th March 06, 09:31 AM

Here are the rest of my pics of the kilt being reviewed.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shanna...HVKjEBUQYQowfZ

The reason I posted this in the kiltmakers section was to get comments from those who make kilts, or wish to make them (I fall somewhere between.) Thanks to all who have contributed their experience. Pleater seems to be following my thinking: even though the old kilts are made from very heavy, coarse wool, the pleat design could very easily be applied to lighter weight material with very satisfactory results.

**UmAnOnion** · 14th March 06, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by RockyR

The pleats pictured are VERY SIMILAR to Rolled Pleats. As far as I know, they are called "Stacked Pleats". That's the kind of pleats that Kelly and I did for the "Madonna Kilts" for her re-invention tour. They swing well on BOTH directions which is what she needed on stage in a dancing routine.

The difference between "Stacked and Rolled" is how many times you roll over the fabric.

Here's a link that describes the different types of pleats :

http://costume.dm.net/pleats/

This link has a GREAT explanation of a way to make a box pleats with DEEP PLEATS for improved swing! Matt... may be worth a shot trying to make an 8 yard box pleated kitl!

Rocky,
thanks for TOTALLY blowing my mind with that link. having a basic understanding of the knife & box pleats to start to consider the DOUBLE BOX & ROLLED pleats is a bit staggering.
Have you ever done a kilt with DOUBLE BOX pleats & would this work better with lighter wieght fabrics? I have seen a few tartans & suiting fabrics that i woudl like to use but as they arent proper kilting wieght have hesitatted in purchasing them. With the double box (although i must admit that i am not really a fan of the box pleat) it would give me enough fabric to cover my posterior and keep warm at the same time.
Also in the ROLLED pleat, I am at a loss as to how you would get much swing with that. if the fabric is rolled into a fairly tight tube, how does it open out to give you the much sought after swish factor???
AND can the STACKED pleat be overlapped a bit to make it look a bit more like the KNIFE pleat. I know it woudl add considerably to the bulk of the pleat but to me woudl be a bit more appealing (see note about box pleats above)

Thanks