Where to wear the Glengarry??

[Nanook]

(Note: I'm not talking yarmulkes, here... BASEBALL CAPS... in Methodist, Catholic, and Baptist churches.)

Maybe they are all visiting Jews or Muslims?
Among Christians, however, I'm under the impression that Paul the Apostle to distinguish and break Christianity from Judaism, set forth in Corinthians the headcover as a sign of shame. One need recall that prior to Paul a large school of Christian thought saw Judaism and the acceptance of mitzvot as the path to Christianity. Christians covered their heads. The Roman senator Flavius Clemens and his wife Flavia Domitilla converted to Judaism. The Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox Churches both suggest that they, however, followed the Christian movement. For many apostates the differences were not that clear cut. With Paul we see a formalization of a break through the separation of those that wear hats and those that don't.

[Caradoc]

Maybe they are all visiting Jews or Muslims?

No, these would be somewhat distant relatives of mine - who would mostly likely be offended at the suggestion that they might be Jews or Muslims.

They don't take off their hats because they're rudeniks, as evidenced by other behavior during the wedding, the reception, and the drunken brawl afterward.

Failing to uncover indoors was merely one indicator.

Now, as I understand it, there are some social conventions that vary between the UK and the US. Here in the US, it's just generally polite to remove your hat when indoors. In the UK, there's a whole set of social conventions to cover who *must* remove their hat, who *should* remove their hat, and who can ignore everyone else with impunity.

"Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide lubrication where people rub together. Often the very young, the untravelled, the naive, the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as empty, meaningless, or dishonest, and scorn to use them. No matter how pure their motives, they thereby throw sand into the machinery that does not work too well at best."

-- Robert A. Heinlein

[Livingston]

I think you're all missing the point.....you wear it on your head It does not work that well as gloves, shoes etc.

[BEEDEE]

Like Panache I have worn a Glengarry with a polo and last year wore one with a ghille shirt in the Grandfather Mountain Highland Games Parade of Clans. Clan MacRae came first so we obviously did not get marked down for my choice of shirt with the Glengarry.

Brian

[gilmore]

If you would like to see how most people in Scotland who wear them wear glengarries these days, take a look at the pics on these links:

http://www.paulzie.com/Edinburgh-Tar...otos/index.htm

http://www.burstballoons.com/

http://www.geocities.com/albagubrath2000/

http://www.burstballoons.com/photos20067.htm

I do not say these are correct, whatever that means. But it is how they are worn in practice.

[bikercelt1]

I've always thought Glengarries are more military in nature. If you're wearing a "uniform" such as with a pipe band or honor guard they fit, otherwise a Balmoral is more appropriate. As to wearing indoors, if it's a public area like a mall or store I wear my Balmoral, if its a sacred space like a church or memorial or a private space like a home I take it off.

Jamie

[Fearnest]

Being "covered" indoors (now that I'm way far away from the Army) is a personal choice. Yes, there are "some" guidelines - places of worship, organizations with dress codes (schools come to mind), or when dealing with the military or para-military organizations. But just look at how many men sit down in a restaurant and eat an entire meal without removing their headgear. (Personally I don't understand that - but that's me.)

So "right" or "wrong" (most places in the US) is more a matter of upbringing/personal preference and local custom than anything else.

[bikercelt1]

Being "covered" indoors (now that I'm way far away from the Army) is a personal choice. Yes, there are "some" guidelines - places of worship, organizations with dress codes (schools come to mind), or when dealing with the military or para-military organizations. But just look at how many men sit down in a restaurant and eat an entire meal without removing their headgear. (Personally I don't understand that - but that's me.)

So "right" or "wrong" (most places in the US) is more a matter of upbringing/personal preference and local custom than anything else.

I absolutely agree with you. There is no excuse for the boorish behavior that some people exhibit. I hope you don't think I was excusing that type of conduct.

Jamie

[Fearnest]

I absolutely agree with you. There is no excuse for the boorish behavior that some people exhibit. I hope you don't think I was excusing that type of conduct.

Jamie

I'd never make that assumption!

Get your knees in the breeze and bugs in your teeth!!!

[Chef]

To remove a hat is submission and is driven the tradition of the person in their context within local custom but not exclusively by the rules of local custom. I would strongly refuse any request to remove my glengarry (when I'm wearing one).

I'm sorry but that's hogwash. Removing one's hat when it is appropriate is a sign of courtesy and respect.

So "right" or "wrong" (most places in the US) is more a matter of upbringing/personal preference and local custom than anything else.

How did we get to the point where we consider bad manners to be "personal preference"? Manners are about respect for others.

While there are a few odd rules the majority are quite simple. A man may wear his hat outdoors and indoors in some public spaces (i.e. malls, office building lobbies and corridors). A man will uncover in private spaces (homes, personal office etc.). A restaurant is considered private space because people are eating so a man will be uncovered at all times. Is that really difficult.

I wear hats, so do both my boys and the oldest (7) knows the basic rules. He has asked my why someone is wearing a hat at the wrong time several times. I have never told him it is personal choice.