Modern kilts or camo kilts with lots of pleating?

**Canuck** · 25th January 09, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by The Wizard of BC

Joe,

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I'll edit mine if you edit yours.... but then.... there can always be a better butt...

Cheers mate

Robert

**The Wizard of BC** · 26th January 09, 12:05 AM

Hey, The Kilt World is the only place you can asses another man's pleated asses without getting slapped.

**ccga3359** · 26th January 09, 01:51 AM

Assess, Steve, assess. And while we're at it it's harbour, honour, neighbour...

**Captain Karrot** · 26th January 09, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by ccga3359

What's happening is uneven tension of the threads through the machine. This can also be achieved when sewing by hand (and better controlled). Sailmakers use this to put curvature into the sails.

Another potential issue is the difference in the content of the thread vs. the fabric. If one has more cotton than the other, for example, as it is washed, etc., they will contract differently, causing a roll at the pleats.

**Tartan Hiker** · 26th January 09, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Karrot

Another potential issue is the difference in the content of the thread vs. the fabric. If one has more cotton than the other, for example, as it is washed, etc., they will contract differently, causing a roll at the pleats.

Which is another good reason to use all-polyester thread, like Coats and Clark Dual Duty XP, which is poly covered poly.

After making about 12 camo kilts I've settled on 1.5" reveals to properly display the camo pattern yet provide enough fabric to give the pleated section some heft. On my body (38" at trad kilt level) that gives me 15 pleats, and with poly/cotton or nylon/cotton fabrics I don't get a lot of curl. If the cotton content is 50% or less, most wrinkles should fall out in a reasonable length of time. Be sure to press with your iron set hot enough for the synthetic content, not on "cotton" setting as you'll melt the other fibers. Don't trust your irons settings...test on scraps until you get it just right. The synthetic content should soften, but not actually melt. Melting will result in an obviously shiny surface that is flattened (less texture) when compared with unironed fabric. It may seem that melting the synthetic fibers would provide for a longer-lasting press, but the reverse is actually true in my experience. I'd like Steve to comment on his observations on iron temp, especially if his differ from what I just said.

And if Steve has offered to help you, run, don't walk, to his shop with all possible haste. He is the master of contemporary kiltmaking.

**ccga3359** · 26th January 09, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Tartan Hiker

And if Steve has offered to help you, run, don't walk, to his shop with all possible haste. He is the master of contemporary kiltmaking.

It did sound like an offer of input and assistance rather than a push for the "hard sell". So often Steve has added his experience to novice kilt makers.

**Smayniac** · 26th January 09, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Pleater

I have thought about, but not yet tried using fusible hemming tape to set pleats on cotton kilts. I have the tape already, just not got around to making the xperiment, Maybe cut it to about 1/4 inch and when I have the outer folds perfectly placed, fix them. It can be removed or moved by heating with an iron so it is not permanent, and it is light and fairly flexible - at least the one I have is. I think there are different weights, as the one I have is marked 'lightweight'. It needs to be flexible so the pleats don't stand out like a lampshade.

Anne the Pleater

I don't use the fusible tape for the actual pleats, but I have used it for the edges of the apron on several of my Xkilts, like anything it works better on some fabrics than others.

Bob

**The Wizard of BC** · 26th January 09, 10:55 PM

I would advise against using any fusable anywhere on a Kilt that is supposed to move.

If there is one thing I have learned in the six years I've been making Kilts it is that it is the movement of the Kilt that is the single most important thing to a Kilt looking good.

Fusable interfacing or hemming stuff restricts the movement of the fabric.
I even go so far as when I am edge stitching the Pleats I back off both the bobbin and top tension of my machines to allow the stitches to give a bit of freedom to the fabric and not bind layers too tightly together.

The only thing I use fusable for is to hold layers together and prevent them from slipping out of alignment until I stitch them.
And then only in places that are under the waistband or inside a pocket construction where it completely hidden and will not effect the movement of the fabric.

**Good Egg** · 27th January 09, 01:22 AM

Nah- fusable tape, which I mentioned earlier and we call wonderweb on this side of the pond is the way forward for the apron edge and the first pleat on either side. but I would not use it on the pleats on the back - because it would not move. I've used it on a full weight wool kilt to reinforce the edge of the apron - it had been size adjusted before I got it and the pleat had a tendency to drift.