How d'ya tie traditional garter ties?

[puffer]

Here are some thoughts that may be of assistance. I choose the type of "knot" I use based on the style Hose, the style Garter Tie, The "look" I am wearing.

Type of Hose =
Inexpensive (http://stores.ebay.com/WB-SOCKS_KILT...QQftidZ2QQtZkm )
Standard (http://www.usakilts.com/store/cart.p...uct_detail&p=4 ) & (http://stores.shop.ebay.com/RAB-Sock...34Q2ec0Q2em322 ) & etc.
Top Grade = ( http://www.usakilts.com/store/cart.p...ct_detail&p=78 ) & of course Matt's "LEWIS HOSE.

Type of Ties =
Silk or synthetic ribbon ( short & tied with NO ends showing )
Standard Woven ( like Matt's )
"Snake" Garter
INKLE WOVEN ( not "knitted or crocheted" as mentioned above )

Hose & Ties = TYPE OF KNOT I use.

NOTE - The 1/2 WINDSOR KNOT is NOT that much more bulky than the way Matt shows, if tied & positioned correctly. The "full" Windsor is.

Inexpensive Hose = Ribbon ( most of the time ) or "Standard woven Tie" ( tied sim. to the way Matt suggests.
Standard Hose = Standard Woven Tie ( tied like Matt suggests or 1/2 Windsor ) INKLE Weave ( usually 1/2 Windsor.), Snake Garter ( tied as Matt suggests)

Top Grade Hose = See Standard Hose.

NOTE- INKLE WOVEN TIES.- My ties are VERY TIGHTLY WOVEN & are actually only slightly more "bulky" than Standard Woven Ties. But be advised, many INKLE woven Ties are not as tightly woven & use different yarn, therefore are bulkier.

I hope this is of assistance.

Puffer

[duchessofnc]

Puffer, with all due respect, he wasn't asking about the woven garter ties. His question was directed to those who know how to tie traditional garter ties that are knitted and crocheted. If you tie a knitted or crocheted garter tie like a neck tie the bulge is going to be way to big and over long periods of time potentially uncomfortable.

[puffer]

Puffer, with all due respect, he wasn't asking about the woven garter ties. His question was directed to those who know how to tie traditional garter ties that are knitted and crocheted. If you tie a knitted or crocheted garter tie like a neck tie the bulge is going to be way to big and over long periods of time potentially uncomfortable.

Duchess, I have to respectively disagree with you.

I just contacted a good friend of mine, who makes her living providing expensive crocheted items. She took a 1" crocheted "ribbon" ( slightly less than 1/16" thick max) & tied it in a 1/2 Windsor. The "knot was less than 1/4" thick . This is less than one of Matt's ties Again it is how you "position the "knot" ( If positioned correctly, the total thickness is only 2x the thickness of the garter.) That IMHO, is NOT to "BIG" ( under a "standard Hose or "Better".

As to "knitted", that should also be the case.

As to comfort, I wear GARTERS OFTEN with Period clothing ( Pantaloons), ( Woven, Very tight woven Inkle, Knitted, Silk & Leather.) for Hours, even days, moving through VERY active events. I tie them ( TIGHTLY ) in Sq. knots,Full Windsors, Bows etc. & I NEVER have a comfort Problem.( Garters are Garters, whether "Kilt Hose or "knee high)
Also, I wear a tie & the "knot" around my neck is either a 1/2 or full Windsor.

My advise to the poster, is TRY IT & see what HE thinks.

Puffer

[duchessofnc]

Duchess, I have to respectively disagree with you.

I just contacted a good friend of mine, who makes her living providing expensive crocheted items. She took a 1" crocheted "ribbon" ( slightly less than 1/16" thick max) & tied it in a 1/2 Windsor. The "knot was less than 1/4" thick . This is less than one of Matt's ties Again it is how you "position the "knot" ( If positioned correctly, the total thickness is only 2x the thickness of the garter.) That IMHO, is NOT to "BIG" ( under a "standard Hose or "Better".

As to "knitted", that should also be the case.

As to comfort, I wear GARTERS OFTEN with Period clothing ( Pantaloons), ( Woven, Very tight woven Inkle, Knitted, Silk & Leather.) for Hours, even days, moving through VERY active events. I tie them ( TIGHTLY ) in Sq. knots,Full Windsors, Bows etc. & I NEVER have a comfort Problem.( Garters are Garters, whether "Kilt Hose or "knee high)
Also, I wear a tie & the "knot" around my neck is either a 1/2 or full Windsor.

My advise to the poster, is TRY IT & see what HE thinks.

Puffer

Using an acrylic/wool blend, with actually knitted garter ties, tying it like a tie does NOT work. Here is an image of the garter ties that I knit.



As you can see, the knot is huge and very thick. I can take more pictures of it if you wish that are better. I just finished this set this afternoon and had them with me at the kilt night. So lighting was unfortunately not ideal.

Now perhaps your friend doesn't use the material that I'm using. There is obviously yarn that is designed for example to make lace. I prefer to standard worsted weight yarn because it would have been more what the common person would have had to work with. Ultimately, with standard basic yarn, it's not comfortably possible to tie them like you suggest. I emphasize comfort because fashion should not be miserable.

You are more than correct that it is up to the original poster on trying the different ways. He may be using a different yarn than I do making them thinner and making what you suggest a viable option.

[The Barry]

Cool, now I have some different hose-garter-tying styles to try!

[Kilted Carver]

Excellent info there Puffer,.....Thanks.

[McMurdo]

Matt I took care of the video for you and have added your tutorial here

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/t...655#post722655

to embed video on XMarks you need part of the code from youtube. Here are the instructions to embed it:

If you look at the video URL, you will see some characters following v= which is the video's ID number. That is all we are interested in, just that ID.

The secret is the use of the BB Code tags. Characters that are enclosed in square brackets [] are capable of applying some other code in the background. I cannot type the codes out, as they will try to apply themselves, so pay close attention.

[type "yt" in here without quotes]Vyx1xeZo_tk[type "/yt" in here without quotes]

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Thanks McMurdo!

[wvpiper]

I used this video, very helpful.

BTW, I got quite the chuckle from the comment that someone posted at youtube.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

I used this video, very helpful.

BTW, I got quite the chuckle from the comment that someone posted at youtube.

Yeah, I think I have a stalker!