New Rabbinical Tartan

[Galician]

And he's from Ponce, P.R.???

[gilmore]

It seems that this rabbi from Lodi, California, is laboring under the same misunderstanding as the one from Scotland who attempted to create an official Jewish tartan merely by registering it with the Scottish Register of Tartans.

A tartan becomes official as to an organization by being designated as such by the governing authority of that organization. E.g., the chief of a clan decides what his clan's tartans are. The government of a state in the US decides what that state's tartan is.

Simply registering a tartan with the SRT and declaring it thus the official tartan of X does not make it so, not by any means. Further, there is no governing body of all rabbis that I am aware of that could make such a decision.

It's unfortunate that the people at SRT don't make that clear to those who register tartans with them, rather than perpetuating these misunderstandings in their descriptions of these tartans.

[Bugbear]

It seems that this rabbi from Lodi, California, is laboring under the same misunderstanding as the one from Scotland who attempted to create an official Jewish tartan merely by registering it with the Scottish Register of Tartans.

A tartan becomes official as to an organization by being designated as such by the governing authority of that organization. E.g., the chief of a clan decides what his clan's tartans are. The government of a state in the US decides what that state's tartan is.

Simply registering a tartan with the SRT and declaring it thus the official tartan of X does not make it so, not by any means. Further, there is no governing body of all rabbis that I am aware of that could make such a decision.

It's unfortunate that the people at SRT don't make that clear to those who register tartans with them, rather than perpetuating these misunderstandings in their descriptions of these tartans.

I suppose precedent or usage might establish a tartan in the case where there is no governing authority, and if I recall correctly, that would be the Gordon tartan.

Color symbolism might also play a small role in some cases with tartan.

None of that would be "Official," though; just customary.

Am I wrong about the Gordon tartan being associated with Jewish Scots, Gilmore?

[Galician]

Not to be overly cynical (I hope), but wouldn't clarifying that tend to discourage registrations (and thus fees)?

[Galician]

No, Ted, you're not. Arlen has stated that the Scottish Jews he knew wore Gordon.

[B R Gordon]

It's my understanding that in parts of Scotland, Glasgow for example, the Gordon tartan is associated with Jewish Scots. There are many parts of Scotland where the Gordon tartan is not associated with Jewish Scots.

[Ryan Ross]

And this from a guy based in Lodi, California, yet. Turns out, among his other accomplishments, the registrant is a bagpiper. (Personally, I'm not big on restricted tartans, and suspect the demand for this one will be limited to Dr. Pazo, but hey, the more the merrier.)

Best regards,

Jake

...who IS this guy?

...it almost sounds like more education than a single person would have time for...

[Dirk Skene]

Sorry, I am not trying to start any trouble, but anytime somebody restricts something like that it only draws contemt from me & nothing else. I have the sett for the balmoral now I have this one. It makes me want to weave them just to say I did.

[Fougasse]

not all ewe`s get to see the ram , most rams as far as im aware are kept apart from the ewes till the right season and the first year or two is the best time to get the sheared wool as thats when its at its best quality

Just a little bit of Scottish language trivia: in many parts of Scotland and Northern England a ram is called a tup and this is also used as a verb. Therefore a "non-virgin lamb" would have been "tupped" and presumably non-Kosher.

[Nyckname]

I know there is another Jewish tartan, but to my knowledge this is the only one restricted to rabbis, and one of the few restricted to a particular religion or denomination.

The search box on the Register site brought up two.

And I'm guessing that these are three which better not be made of a wool blend.