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28th December 09, 09:25 PM
#1
 Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR
I am very good friends with Hillhouse and his charming wife. I find your post in quite bad taste. It adds nothing to this discussion.
Sorry - no harm intended ! I apologise to the MacKerrells.
Sometimes, I'm a facetious little b' who needs reeled in.
Last edited by Lachlan09; 28th December 09 at 10:24 PM.
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25th December 09, 07:32 AM
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In the process of moving the thread to Tartans & Heraldry the thread was somehow deleted and unable to be recovered. We are still trying to determine how this problem arose.
Moski graciously reposted for us.
Brian
In a democracy it's your vote that counts; in feudalism, it's your Count that votes.
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25th December 09, 07:28 PM
#3
Not precisely a "clan" prohibition but if you check the recent thread about the "rabbinical tartan" that's another one that is restricted in its use.
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25th December 09, 11:35 PM
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There are no prohibitions in the states that ended on July 4, 1776 as long as you can buy it you can wear it here. Honor and respect are things you and you alone must decide upon.
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26th December 09, 03:20 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by -B-
There are no prohibitions in the states that ended on July 4, 1776 as long as you can buy it you can wear it here. Honor and respect are things you and you alone must decide upon.
...and respecting the wishes of any actual clan chiefs/owners restrictions is my intent. Kilt police I don't care about.
"The Highland dress is essentially a 'free' dress, -- that is to say, a man's taste and circumstances must alone be permitted to decide when and where and how he should wear it... I presume to dictate to no man what he shall eat or drink or wherewithal he shall be clothed." -- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.
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26th December 09, 03:35 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by Moski
...and respecting the wishes of any actual clan chiefs/owners restrictions is my intent. Kilt police I don't care about.
Thank you so much for respecting another nations traditions and customs. A small courtesy like that, really is appreciated.
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26th December 09, 05:37 AM
#7
 Originally Posted by Moski
...and respecting the wishes of any actual clan chiefs/owners restrictions is my intent. Kilt police I don't care about.
I second Jock Scot. Honouring the traditions of another, will EARN the respect of that other to your traditions.
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26th December 09, 05:55 AM
#8
 Originally Posted by -B-
There are no prohibitions in the states that ended on July 4, 1776 as long as you can buy it you can wear it here. Honor and respect are things you and you alone must decide upon.
And as was stated in the other [now deleted] thread, this really is not germane to the subject of tartans at all.
Saying such implies that there are (were) laws regarding the restrictions of specific tartans in the UK and since the US won its independance, US citizens are no longer subject to those "tartan laws."
Point of fact, there is no law regarding who can wear what tartan in the UK, or in the USA, or in Canada, or Australia, or anywhere else for that matter. Legally, you can deck yourself out head to toe in any tartan you wish and there isn't anything anyone can do about it.
However, as a matter of tradition and respect, most people who wear the kilt choose a tartan (or tartans) that they feel some special connection to -- be that in their ancestry, or through marriage, or where they live or their occupations, etc. Remember, tartans can and do represent things other than clans.
In any case, very very few tartans are intended to be restricted as far as who may wear them. And in these rare cases, it will not be a tartan that is commonly available, so you don't have to worry about walking into a tartan shop and inadvertantly purchasing a restricted tartan.
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26th December 09, 06:00 AM
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 Originally Posted by -B-
There are no prohibitions in the states that ended on July 4, 1776 as long as you can buy it you can wear it here. Honor and respect are things you and you alone must decide upon.
The events of 1776 have nothing to do with it. As I mentioned in the first version of this thread, two republics, South Africa (readmitted to the Commonwealth in '94) & Ireland both have heraldic traditions & agencies which regulate heraldry.
Also, the simple fact that the idea of a restricted clan/family tartans (or the Balmoral tartan) was designed after 1776 negates this arguement.
Respectfully,
Todd
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27th December 09, 02:14 PM
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I like that. However, I tend only to wear tartans I am associated with (or have permission to wear, i.e. My ancient McKay it is for my wife's family be she said it would be ok )
 Originally Posted by -B-
There are no prohibitions in the states that ended on July 4, 1776 as long as you can buy it you can wear it here. Honor and respect are things you and you alone must decide upon.
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