NYTimes Wedding

**###KILTEDKIWI###** · 17th February 10, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Chas
It looks to me Sandford that he is wearing RAF mess dress, which is of course designed for uniform trousers - not for a kilt. The hose on the otherhand is difficult to understand. The RAF, to this day still issue black woollen hose.

Regards

Chas

Chas,

You might want to read this article:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafreserves/sq...B59AC91320EF5C

Regards,

Todd

Interesting article,

to this day still issue black woollen hose.

I still have a abundance of black stockings (hose) socks and stokers steaming socks as well...years worth left.

Originally Posted by DesertCeltic
Very good story and he wears the kilt well.

I am not being churlish here, but do you really think that he is wearing the kilt well?

I would like to give him the benefit of doubt? due to the nature of the pics seen, action shots and possibly not the best fitting rig.
As he would no doubtly square himself away at the first opportunity
being ex RAF, he will know better.

**Chas** · 17th February 10, 02:17 PM

Hi Todd,

602 (City of Glasgow) is a reserve Squadron. As such the officers are on a different commission to regular officers. They are not full time and their wages are 'pro rata'. A full mess dress is a major investment for a regular officer, leave alone one who is only paid as little as 1/4 of theirs. The kilts, sporrans and hose would have been paid for by the Squadron and lent to individuals as and when needed. (It is also possible that the mess dresses are owned by the Squadron as well.) It is very doubtful that the individual officers would buy their own kilts and accessories and even less that they would buy a dedicated mess dress (which could only be worn by them while they are stationed with the Squadron).

Flying Officer is low man on totem pole. As soon as they get promoted, they would be posted away from their Squadron to another (one without kilts).

I think Mr. Goodwin's jacket and waistcoat were made to go with a highwaisted pair of mess dress trousers and possibly when he was thinner.

Regards

Chas

**###KILTEDKIWI###** · 17th February 10, 02:30 PM

and possibly when he was thinner.

Yeah, the only way I get into my rig now was if it were spray painted on. I see your point, the buttons look a little strained.

**longhuntr74** · 17th February 10, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

My sentiments exactly. White hose; a too short waistcoat showing the dreaded "gap"; belt askew; evening dress in the daytime; white hose.

I'm afraid it's a good example of "what not to wear."

My sentiments, exactly. I think we could excuse things being "askew" as someone else pointed out...he is dancing after all.

But the rest of the outfit indicates poorly fitted or cookie cutter. Only thing I have to add is "why is he wearing the belt with the waistcoat in the first place?" Only thing missing is a fly plaid!! Then he'd be the perfect example of "I walked into a Scottish shop and this is what they told me I needed for a formal outfit."

**macwilkin** · 17th February 10, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Chas

Hi Todd,

602 (City of Glasgow) is a reserve Squadron. As such the officers are on a different commission to regular officers. They are not full time and their wages are 'pro rata'. A full mess dress is a major investment for a regular officer, leave alone one who is only paid as little as 1/4 of theirs. The kilts, sporrans and hose would have been paid for by the Squadron and lent to individuals as and when needed. (It is also possible that the mess dresses are owned by the Squadron as well.) It is very doubtful that the individual officers would buy their own kilts and accessories and even less that they would buy a dedicated mess dress (which could only be worn by them while they are stationed with the Squadron).

Flying Officer is low man on totem pole. As soon as they get promoted, they would be posted away from their Squadron to another (one without kilts).

I think Mr. Goodwin's jacket and waistcoat were made to go with a highwaisted pair of mess dress trousers and possibly when he was thinner.

Regards

Chas

Chas,

Oh, I know...I wasn't implying that Mr. Goodwin's mess dress was the same as 660 Squadron's...I just thought you might be interested in the article.

T.

**Schiehallion** · 18th February 10, 08:48 AM

Yes the picture shows a classic example of why one should not wear a belt with a waistcoat (US vest) as the top of the cantle is banging against the buckle.

**JSFMACLJR** · 18th February 10, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Schiehallion

Yes the picture shows a classic example of why one should not wear a belt with a waistcoat (US vest) as the top of the cantle is banging against the buckle.

Well, if everything fitted the way it should fit, the buckle would be nowhere near the sporran! ( not that I'm advocating wearing a belt in this situation, unless it is worn over the waistcoat, and preferably with a dirk pendant from it. )

**Jock Scot** · 18th February 10, 09:19 AM

Alright I think enough of us have pointed out the kilt "NO'S" in the picture now, but the real point is that there are people on this website(not just the chap who made the comment on this thread) who still think that saying; "Well dressed",or "looking good",or "great outfit", or "you wear it well" type comments are helpful. Either they don't know what they are looking at(sorry chaps you don't) ,or they are saying something just for the sake of it. Either way, comments like those that I mentioned do not help in any way those that are trying to do the kilt and its attire justice. I mean no offence to any one and I am sorry if any one gets upset by my comments as they are meant with the best of intentions.

**Chas** · 18th February 10, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

Alright I think enough of us have pointed out the kilt "NO'S" in the picture now, but the real point is that there are people on this website(not just the chap who made the comment on this thread) who still think that saying; "Well dressed",or "looking good",or "great outfit", or "you wear it well" type comments are helpful. Either they don't know what they are looking at(sorry chaps you don't) ,or they are saying something just for the sake of it. Either way, comments like those that I mentioned do not help in any way those that are trying to do the kilt and its attire justice. I mean no offence to any one and I am sorry if any one gets upset by my comments as they are meant with the best of intentions.

I agree, Jock. I am hearing echos of "Nice Kilt". And we all know where that lead.

Regards

Chas

**davidlpope** · 18th February 10, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

...the real point is that there are people on this website(not just the chap who made the comment on this thread) who still think that saying; "Well dressed",or "looking good",or "great outfit", or "you wear it well" type comments are helpful. Either they don't know what they are looking at(sorry chaps you don't) ,or they are saying something just for the sake of it.

I tend to agree, as well. Being "kind" and "supportive" doesn't mean one must positively endorse every particular kilt ensemble one comes across. Sometimes the kinder choice is a gentle critique. By way of example, the poor fellow that I approached at the Grandfather Mountain Highland Games was appreciative when told that the pleats of his kilt go in the back, not the front. Much kinder in my opinion than remarking, "Looking Good", etc. as I walked past...

Cordially,

David