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17th March 10, 10:34 AM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Tobus
Is that what we're calling the Vikings now? "Immigrants"?
I'm fairly certain they were more like armed invaders who liked to rape and pillage. But I could be wrong. ![Wink](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
not all nordic tribes where out to rape and pillage
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17th March 10, 10:47 AM
#12
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by skauwt
yeah i too was thinking about this it makes me thankful that the nations we live in these days are a bit more civil with immigrants rather than the treatment of days gone by
i was wondering if they would perhaps dna test the bodies of the men and try trace a modern genetic descendant
alot of folk forget that these where men like the rest of the us trying to survive and in there harsh world,
some of the jokes fair enough are fun to read but a little bit distasteful of our ancestors ...... would they say the same about modern soldiers killed in combat in this manner ?
Firstly, people carrying out raids on monasteries around the coast and killing defenceless people are hardly immigrants.
Secondly. none of the jokes were derogatory to the people who died.
I think most people have respect for the Vikings of old.
So lets not find fault with posts when no fault exists.
Peter
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17th March 10, 10:50 AM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by skauwt
some of the jokes fair enough are fun to read but a little bit distasteful of our ancestors ...... would they say the same about modern soldiers killed in combat in this manner ?
I guess that the irony of my statement about the "dear departed" and "archaeology" didn't quite translate as well into text as I would have liked it to.
It has been said that comedy is tragedy plus time. I wonder if "Up Pompeii" would have been quite so funny if that weren't true...but I suppose that some of us who have tried to find a bit of humor in what, at the time, must have been a tragically serious business probably feel a bit more separation from the parties involved. We are looking at a thousand years here. Frankly, we will never know what really happened there and most of us have bloodlines that are so complicated that the participants must be considered our ancestors only in a very general sense and the political entities (such as they were) that they represented have long since been folded and absorbed into others over and over again until today. Everything dies and it's always a tragedy but human beings have had to learn to find ways to adapt to those facts in order to carry on living...humor is one of those coping mechanisms.
Humor out of tragedy? Hogan's Heroes, a situation COMEDY based on Allied combatants who were held in a German POW camp, ran for SIX seasons...and my Uncle Joe, who was a "guest of the German Government" just like the guys in the TV show, watched it religiously and thought that it was the funniest frickin' thing that he ever saw.
So I'm sorry if you find any of the attempts at humor distasteful. It takes all kinds...
Best
AA
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17th March 10, 10:50 AM
#14
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by skauwt
not all nordic tribes where out to rape and pillage ![Laughing](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
However let's be clear here, they were armed and violent invaders and greatly feared all across Europe. Special prayers were written to prevent their 'visits'. That is an important part of history. Let's not get into what historians call 'presentism.'
EDIT: I have to point out that by now BOTH sides were most everyone on this site's ancestors. And I can joke about my own family for goodness sake.
Last edited by Lallans; 17th March 10 at 12:05 PM.
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17th March 10, 10:54 AM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Tobus
Is that what we're calling the Vikings now? "Immigrants"?
I'm fairly certain they were more like armed invaders who liked to rape and pillage. But I could be wrong. ![Wink](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I'm sorry, being a Dane, to have to admit it, but yes. It was what it all was about, it is said. The beheaded men in question happened to be Norwegians, not Danes.
Their teeth prove that the had lived farther north than people on the British isles.
Greg
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17th March 10, 10:57 AM
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each to there own folks i just found the jokes a bit distasteful in a topic about over 50 dead men
that's all i have to say on the issue
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17th March 10, 11:04 AM
#17
All right, it's settled then!
We let bygones be bygones and because they did the beheading, the Anglo-Saxons buy the first round and because they were raping and pillaging, the Vikings have to buy the second round and after that everybody's on their own!
Drink up, History Students! int: int: int: int: int:
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AA
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17th March 10, 11:13 AM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by auld argonian
All right, it's settled then!
We let bygones be bygones and because they did the beheading, the Anglo-Saxons buy the first round and because they were raping and pillaging, the Vikings have to buy the second round and after that everybody's on their own!
Drink up, History Students! ![Razz](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif) int: ![Razz](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif) int: ![Razz](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif) int: ![Razz](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif) int: ![Razz](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif) int:
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AA
Fine by me, except that the Vikings have to go first. We Angles are not falling for that one again!
Last edited by Lallans; 17th March 10 at 12:07 PM.
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17th March 10, 01:16 PM
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I'm (slowly) reading some of Bernard Cromwell's books. He, and perhaps others, makes a distinction between "Danes" who invaded with the intent of capturing lands to settle, eventually becoming part of the island mix, and "Vikings" who did the rape-and-pillage routine, then sailed away with their plunder. Sometimes they were members of the same family, with one brother becoming an "immigrant" and another continuing to raid. Interesting books although as "fictionalized history" I don't know what level of accuracy he maintains in the eyes of academic historians. He does describe encounters that could have left this particular type of archeological record. . .
Proudly Duncan [maternal], MacDonald and MacDaniel [paternal].
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17th March 10, 01:56 PM
#20
Now in the U.K. they would be pampered and released to go and sack again. "Slainte" You All.
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