How accurate are the online tartan/clan locators?

[macwilkin]

That is something I hadn't heard of.

My mother's family is from the mountains of Kentucky, Park(s). My (slim) Scottish heritage is from her great grandmother, a Steele. We always assumed that the Scotch name was from a long time ago or such. Would be interesting that my mother's family might be Scots-Irish instead of just Irish like we always thought. Unfortunely her family is bad about records so we have no real way to trace beyond the Greats.

Jim

It's quite common misconception that I ran into quite a lot as a local history librarian; folks thinking they were "Irish" and being very militant about it, only to find out that their ancestors were Ulster-Scots.

T.

[EagleJCS]

Don't you mean Mr. Noah Webster? "Black Daniel" Webster didn't tackle standardized spelling, but he did win a court case against Mr. Scratch once...

T.

Whoops! Yes, indeed. I often malaprop names like that - been doing it for years. Thanks for the correction.

[tripleblessed]

For the OP and for EagleJCS, Rhys may well be the original spelling for both
of you (though, of course, not necessarily). Several Welsh surnames gained
a "P" on the front end from the patronymic "ap" preceding it in the ear.
Rhys is thought by many to be the source for Rice, Rees, Reece, Reese,
etc. Daffyd ap Rhys would sound to many a Sassanach or English ear to be "David Priest" or "Prees". Certainly that's how many Scots, Irish, Scots-Irish, and other Welsh names came to be spelled as they are.

[Fitzy]

"Reese" also traces back to Germanypossably before it ever got to the UK. Not sure of the spelling, but I think it was Reys - sounding like "rays".

Reason I mention it is that one branch of my Girlfriend's family is Reese. In addition to tracing their Scottish side, her father has traced the Reese branch of their family back to Germany in the 1200's. He found that it traces back to "Reys" (not certain of the spelling), which later became, Rice, Rees, and Reese, other forms of that same German Reys.

As a coincidence, she's from the Stockbridge Massachusetts area. Some of her Reese family came west and were the second batch of settlers to arrive here in my central New York town back when it was still the frontier in the 1790's.

Our local paper has every issue saved from when it started in 1864. I was able to find an artical from shortly after the paper started, discribing who was at a Reese family reunion in the late 1800, and mention of when their earliest members came to this area. One of the family firmly stuck with Reys as his name, while others still used the older "Rees" without the "e" on the end. The oldest part of the first cemetary here is all her Reese family.''

Hope this helps,

Paul

[Ripcode]

@Thistle amang the heather - WOW!

That is awesome information!

Right now I am stuck at my wife's -great grandfather.

Name: James Rice
Residence: Magisterial District 7, Lola, Livingston, Kentucky
Birth Date: Mar 1829
Birthplace: Kentucky
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Self
Spouse Name: Lucy Rice
Spouse Birth Place: Kentucky
Father Birthplace: Virginia
Mother Birthplace: Kentucky
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 49
Estimated Marriage Year: 1851
Children:
William Y Rice M
Ida Rice F
Samuel J Rice M
Ora Rice F
Herbert E Rice M
Clarence B Rice M
Nellie Rice F

ADDED: I so new at this geneolgy thing!

[Ripcode]

Here are some links pertaining to Kentucky Rice familes and their genealogy that might be of help:

http://rice-genealogy.com/5kentuckytoindiana.html

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com.../PDFGENE22.pdf

http://genforum.com/rice/

http://books.google.com/books?id=b9o...ntucky&f=false

Thank you! I will be doing more research tonight!

[Ripcode]

@Thistle amang the heather - WOW!

That is awesome information!

Right now I am stuck at my wife's -great grandfather.

Name: James Rice
Residence: Magisterial District 7, Lola, Livingston, Kentucky
Birth Date: Mar 1829
Birthplace: Kentucky
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Self
Spouse Name: Lucy Rice
Spouse Birth Place: Kentucky
Father Birthplace: Virginia
Mother Birthplace: Kentucky
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 49
Estimated Marriage Year: 1851
Children:
William Y Rice M
Ida Rice F
Samuel J Rice M

Ora Rice F
Herbert E Rice M
Clarence B Rice M
Nellie Rice F

ADDED: I so new at this geneolgy thing!

I went back and reviewed the Census again!

Ora Rice was the daughter-in-law to James Rice.

The children of Ora are:

Herbert E Rice M
Clarence B Rice M <---- My wifes grandfather.
Nellie Rice F

Name: Ora Rice
Residence: Magisterial District 7, Lola, Livingston, Kentucky
Birth Date: Apr 1875
Birthplace: Texas
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Daughter-in-law
Father Birthplace: Ireland
Mother Birthplace: Kentucky

I did not read the Census info for each family member the first time.

So... now I need to find out more info about Ora to see where this goes!

[Ripcode]

Name: Ora Rice
Residence: Magisterial District 7, Lola, Livingston, Kentucky
Birth Date: Apr 1875
Birthplace: Texas
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Daughter-in-law
Father Birthplace: Ireland
Mother Birthplace: Kentucky

I found that Ora's maiden name (this is would be my wife's Great Grandmother) is Ingram. Another clue!

Now I need to see if I can find out who the father to Ora is!

[Cygnus]

Nice work on the research, Ripcode - once the family-history bug bites, it's hard to resist further research. Good luck in tracking down Ora's "Irish" father!

It's quite common misconception that I ran into quite a lot as a local history librarian; folks thinking they were "Irish" and being very militant about it, only to find out that their ancestors were Ulster-Scots.

T.

My mother always insisted that my fourth-great grandfather was Irish, because he was born in Ireland. She'd argue until she was blue in the face that that branch of the family was Irish. I later found a "personal history" of a third-great uncle about his relatives and discovered that the grandfather in question was born in Ireland because his father was there with the British military in response to the "Uprising of 1798". (I thought it was odd that my ancestor's wife would accompany him, but have been assured that this was fairly common practice for officers at the time.)

Given the nature of that conflict, I don't doubt that my ancestor turned over in his grave every time my mother insisted he was Irish!

[WVHighlander]

I went back and reviewed the Census again!

Ora Rice was the daughter-in-law to James Rice.

The children of Ora are:

Herbert E Rice M
Clarence B Rice M <---- My wifes grandfather.
Nellie Rice F

Name: Ora Rice
Residence: Magisterial District 7, Lola, Livingston, Kentucky
Birth Date: Apr 1875
Birthplace: Texas
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Daughter-in-law
Father Birthplace: Ireland
Mother Birthplace: Kentucky

I did not read the Census info for each family member the first time.

So... now I need to find out more info about Ora to see where this goes!

Interesting stuff. My G-Grandma is listed as None Marie Rice from Kentucky. However, I am deviled if I can find her anywhere. At first I thought it was a misspelling of the first name, but that is how it is listed on my grandfather's birth certificate. If you come across that odd name let me know. I would like to continue building her line.