REAL stumper... Argyll Buttons

[Jock Scot]

clann na ngael == children (or family) of the Gaels (ie the Gaelic speaking people, which, in Scotland would be the population of the Highlands).

Well well, never too old to learn. What?

[MacSpadger]

clann na ngael == children (or family) of the Gaels (ie the Gaelic speaking people, which, in Scotland would be the population of the Highlands).

I think these ubiquitous buttons are perhaps a bad example of translation. The lion of Scotland is in no doubt, but Clann na ngael is more properly the Irish (Gaeilge), way of saying it. The Scottish Gaelic (Gàidhlig) version would be Clan na Gael.

This made me wonder if Ansram is an attempt at ans’rann, meaning pedigree or genealogy or possibly group or division, (according to Dwelly’s dictionary, but I could find no Irish equivalent) but I didn’t have a clue about Gracrelle. By now I am wondering if the whole thing is bad Irish!
This got me going to my own wardrobe where I have two jackets and a waistcoat with these buttons on them. My buttons clearly say not gracrelle, but an cheile, which again is not Scottish Gaelic but Irish Gaeilge for “each other” or “one another”. However, I am not sure the word Ansram is clear to me.
Anything further would be a guess, and the internet is full of “facts” that come from guesses, so I’m not going any further!

[EagleJCS]

Found it!

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...n-words-59508/

[RockyR]

In reading the other thread, I boiled it down to this:


Clann na Geal - Children/descendents of the Gaels or Highlanders
The second phrase should read An Gradh Le cheile which means roughly United in Tradition.
A literal translation of the whole button would therefore be:Children/descendents of the Gaels united in tradition.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

In reading the other thread, I boiled it down to this:


Clann na Geal - Children/descendents of the Gaels or Highlanders
The second phrase should read An Gradh Le cheile which means roughly United in Tradition.
A literal translation of the whole button would therefore be:Children/descendents of the Gaels united in tradition.

Now you need to think about having your own buttons on those jackets.

[Silent Raven]

than ks for this, i was actually looking at the buttons on my Prince charlie the other day and wondering the same thing, now i have a bit of an idea at least!

[RockyR]

Now you need to think about having your own buttons on those jackets.

Don't tempt me... I do all kinds of highly custom (and too expensive for actual use) stuff for my own kilt outfits. I know Kelly would kill me... not to mention my jacket maker.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Don't tempt me... I do all kinds of highly custom (and too expensive for actual use) stuff for my own kilt outfits. I know Kelly would kill me... not to mention my jacket maker.

The real cost is in the die; the rest is just... buttons.

You might want to try www.mmi.ie as they are set up to make buttons, special belt buckles, and other items not shown in their on-line catalogue.

[RockyR]

The real cost is in the die; the rest is just... buttons.

You might want to try www.mmi.ie as they are set up to make buttons, special belt buckles, and other items not shown in their on-line catalogue.

I know there's someone here in the US that makes buttons as well... I had their site bookmarked... may have to look that back up. Hmmm... maybe a USA Kilts button. hahaha

No, no, no... must... resist! Wife will... kill me! Need to spend more time and money on website!*


*Spoken in my best Captain Kirk 'dramatic pause' type accent.

[piperdbh]

I know Kelly would kill me... not to mention my jacket maker.

If she killed you AND the jacket maker, she'd solve two problems at once.