A Christian-Themed Tartan?

[Santa Kona]

Did someone say Christmas Tratan?

http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tar....aspx?ref=5816

STA ref: 7869
STWR ref: none
Designer: Santa Bruce Arnold
Tartan date: 29/01/2009
Registration date: Not Specified
Category: Corporate

Restrictions: Yes. Only to be worn by members of the Clan Claus Society.
Weaving is Restricted - Contact the Clan Claus Society for permission.


Registration notes: The Clan Claus Society was formed on the 1st June 2008 and this tartan introduced for Santa and his extended 'family'. Colors: red is the traditional color for Santa Claus; green is for the evergreen holly and mistletoe which represent Christmas traditions; the three bands of yellow represent the three bags of gold that St Nicholas of Myra gave the three daughters of the merchant; the two bands of white are for purity and the snow of the North Pole.


Registrant details: santakona@oh.rr.com

[artificer]

Guys, this thread keeps popping up over and over. If you want a Christian Tartan, somebody design one and you all can bung in to have it woven at Dalgliesh and get your kilts made. Stop trying to re-purpose some other tartan and just do it. I'm amazed that the HP Lovecraft crowd can get that Cthulu tartan done up and they're all showing photos of the finished kilts already and you lot are still kickin' the tires and going on about this.

How shall we say this...eliminate or remove yourself from the porcelain facility...eh?

Best

AA

Not only Done, Run, and getting sewn up, we're considering a custom run of club ties.

:cthulhusmiley:

[mookien]

According to the Christmas tartan details at the SRT, ...

"This tartan has been created to commemorate the Christian festival of Christmas, at which the birth of Jesus Christ is celebrated. ... Gold, frankincense and myrrh are the gifts given to the Baby Jesus by the three Kings in the nativity story, each symbolic of Jesus' life and death."

If that isn't "Christian themed", I don't know what is.

The OP merely points out that the SRT clearly has no problems with approving a "Christian themed" tartan, as was postulated by some folks in the "original" thread, ie the one started by biblemonkey.

[Mike_Oettle]

The first I heard of this tartan was in January when I met Ina Murison and her husband, Piperjames (James McGowan).
(I had met them through the internet some 20 months before, but this was our first face-to-face.)
She was quite excited about the registration.
While the colour symbolism does not quite convey much to me (even though I belong to a liturgically orientated church), I like the colours.
Contrast it with Christmas Morning, registered a few days earlier to the House of Edgar and McNaughtons. This design also has green and blue, but has a strong emphasis on blue. Somehow for me it does not convey Christmas much.
Ina’s Christmas sett, on the other hand, does have a Christmassy feel to it.
Will I wear it?
I am not sure. My wife is rather negative about further kilt purchases right now, and I will have to tread warily. But if Ina has this one made up in PV, I will definitely put it on my want list because it will be suitable for wearing in the summer heat of Christmas in South Africa.
Watch this space.
Regards,
Mike

[mookien]

The first I heard of this tartan was in January when I met Ina Murison and her husband, Piperjames (James McGowan).
(I had met them through the internet some 20 months before, but this was our first face-to-face.)
She was quite excited about the registration.
...
Contrast it with Christmas Morning, registered a few days earlier to the House of Edgar and McNaughtons. This design also has green and blue, but has a strong emphasis on blue. Somehow for me it does not convey Christmas much.
Ina’s Christmas sett, on the other hand, does have a Christmassy feel to it.

Mike,

I, and likely others, would be interested in Ms. Murison-McGowan's opinion on whether she regards her design as "Christian themed", or not. And, if so, or if not, why?

Also, did she encounter any resistance, or even questions, about the design, name, or registration notes from the SRT?

If you prefer not to "go there", I understand.

I agree with your assessments about both the Christmas and Christmas Morning tartans. The latter is a bit too blue for me.

John

[Brasilikilt]

Here's a suggestion: For those of you who have an acquaintance with my posts over the years know that I simply love history!
I watch 'The Naked Archaeologist' whenever I can, and recall an episode where they were dealing with biblical era fabrics.....

I instantly recognize the oddity of mentioning 'Jewish' and 'Tartan' in the same sentence, but perhaps a little research into fabrics and dyes of that region and time span would help in designing a Christian themed tartan. In my opinion, an especially symbolic and meaningful tartan would be influenced and inspired by Christianity in it's purest form.."What Tartan would Jesus have worn?" Look into what dyes were common for everyday people back then, and you will likely have a good idea what Jesus and his apostles wore.
Forgive my ignorance, but I do not recall any passages in the bible dictating any fashion guidelines.
I don't want to drop names, but I seem to recall that a prominent X-marks member, former resident of Portland, Oregon-currently residing in the desert country who has formal education in fabrics/textiles and *could* be a source of useful suggestions.

[Kilted Karl]

Forgive my ignorance, but I do not recall any passages in the bible dictating any fashion guidelines.

Though there are not "you must wear a kilt" types of passages in the Bible there are quite a few giving guidelines (old and new testaments) and rules on how to wear clothes.

Your Obedient Servant,

Karl :ootd:

[Mike_Oettle]

Hi, John (Mookien) – Ina did mention briefly that the Christmas tartan was Christian-themed, but we did not discuss this in depth. I plan to get in touch with her now that the registration is official and discuss it in more detail.
She is, of course, also the designer of the Mighty Men tartan (in which my first kilt, now sent back to the maker for repairs, was made), so she clearly does not regard the Christmas tartan as representing Christianity as a whole, in all seasons.
In fact she has a plan on the back burner for a tartan for Christian women, distinct from Mighty Men.
Regards,
Mike

[figheadair]

I'm afraid I'm stuck wondering WHY? It seems a completely unnecessary undertaking frankly.

More to the point, the statement that Only Tartans 4 Africa in South Africa may weave this tartan. No person or company may reproduce this tartan. is completely unenforceable. Even more to the point, the design already exists by another name and so technically breaches someone elses copyright. It does not surprise me that the STR did not pick this up - unfortunately they are more interested in making money than academic rigour.

[OC Richard]

most of the churches I know have no knowledge of or use for liturgical colors, vestments, or even the seasons.

Perhaps, but this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgical_colours

indicates that pretty much the same colours are recognised by such churches as the Catholic, Methodist, many Lutheran, many Presbyterian, Episcopal, and Churches of Christ.

(Note that the SIZE of the colour bar doesn't reflect the percentage of the year that it's used... green for Ordinary Time is used the most days.)

Now what percentage of the US population is familiar with these colours? Let's look at some numbers:

Percentage of US Population 2001
Catholic 24.5%
Baptist 16.5
Methodist 6.8
Lutheran 4.6
Presb 2.7
Pentecostal/Charismatic/Foursquare 2.1
Episcopal/Anglican 1.7
LDS 1.3
Churches of Christ 1.2

the rest being less than 1%.

So with my handy-dandy calculator I can guess than around 40% of the total US population is affiliated with churches which use liturgical colours, usually the same as or roughly similar to those used by the Roman church, easily twice as many Americans as are affiliated with churches that don't.

By the way, I play at a local Presbyterian church every year, at a service at which all the trappings of the church, including the stole of the minister, are ceremoniously changed from green to purple, and the Advent Wreath is lighted. The Catholic church I attend does nothing of the sort; colours are changed without ceremony or comment.