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    Re: tartan flat cap help

    Thanks Jock, once again we are of the same mind. I cannot explain it but for some reason, to me, a flat cap and a kilt just do not go together.
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    Re: tartan flat cap help

    Top of the page has a pattern for an 1880's sports/flat cap.

    http://www.longago.com/victorianmen.html
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    Re: tartan flat cap help

    Jock, what would you think of those little fedora-types with the particularly narrow and downturned brim. I'm not sure if I'm describing it well, but it appeals to me much more than a flat cap and I'm wondering.
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    Re: tartan flat cap help

    Quote Originally Posted by Father Bill View Post
    Jock, what would you think of those little fedora-types with the particularly narrow and downturned brim. I'm not sure if I'm describing it well, but it appeals to me much more than a flat cap and I'm wondering.
    Well, almost anything is better than a flat cap with the kilt, but I think I know the style of hat you mean. Hummm, I am not too sure that I like the look although with a wider brim---- and perhaps more panama style----- that would keep the sun off, I should think. Sun is not too much of a problem in Scotland, don't forget!

    Just a thought, have you considered a "fore 'n aft" or a "deer stalker"? For informal wear with the kilt, they are perfectly acceptable head-wear and do have a brim to keep sun and rain off pretty effectively.
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    Re: tartan flat cap help

    Quote Originally Posted by cryerelizabeth View Post
    A friend of mine that is supplying wool tartan for a couple kilts I'm making has asked me to make him a flat cap out of the scraps... Does anyone haven any instructions or anything like that as to how to make one?
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    Oh, sorry cryerelizabeth. It's a Pavlovian reaction which occurs whenever there's a message thread about hats here. Although you made no mention of what this hat made of scraps is to be worn with, the Hat Police can be counted on to hijack the thread.

    Back to the question you asked: the YouTube video of making an eight-panel cap demonstrates the method of construction. Here's a link to a "driver's cap" pattern: http://www.scribd.com/doc/34936146/Driver-s-Cap-Pattern

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    Re: tartan flat cap help

    Quote Originally Posted by Jock Scot View Post
    Well, almost anything is better than a flat cap with the kilt, but I think I know the style of hat you mean. Hummm, I am not too sure that I like the look although with a wider brim---- and perhaps more panama style----- that would keep the sun off, I should think. Sun is not too much of a problem in Scotland, don't forget!

    Just a thought, have you considered a "fore 'n aft" or a "deer stalker"? For informal wear with the kilt, they are perfectly acceptable head-wear and do have a brim to keep sun and rain off pretty effectively.

    Thanks Jock.

    I have considered the fore 'n' aft; in fact I own a nice one in corduroy with a quilted lining which makes it great for Canadian winters and fur flaps which in a pinch can come down for the same. Trouble is, I got rather sick of puerile comments about Sherlock Holmes. Similarly, Glengarries and Caubeens although probably the most appropriate, tend to be considered "costumey" by a lot of ill-educated folks around here, and I'm trying to be understated.

    I also have a Tilley winter hat (it's a Canadian thing) which is suitable in cold weather, but I'm looking for something with similar cachet for spring and autumn and was wondering what your thoughts were.

    Your comment that "Well almost anything is better than..." suggests to me that you're not overly keen on this idea either. Ah well! Thanks!
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    Re: tartan flat cap help

    Quote Originally Posted by Father Bill View Post
    Thanks Jock.

    I have considered the fore 'n' aft; in fact I own a nice one in corduroy with a quilted lining which makes it great for Canadian winters and fur flaps which in a pinch can come down for the same. Trouble is, I got rather sick of puerile comments about Sherlock Holmes. Similarly, Glengarries and Caubeens although probably the most appropriate, tend to be considered "costumey" by a lot of ill-educated folks around here, and I'm trying to be understated.

    I also have a Tilley winter hat (it's a Canadian thing) which is suitable in cold weather, but I'm looking for something with similar cachet for spring and autumn and was wondering what your thoughts were.

    Your comment that "Well almost anything is better than..." suggests to me that you're not overly keen on this idea either. Ah well! Thanks!
    Okay I am sorry that I have gone off course and I apologise to the OP. However some may find my answer enlightening nevertheless.

    It sounds to me FB, that you are describing a deer stalker(some tailors are a tad confusing over this) what I mean by a "fore 'n aft" is similar but without the flaps and with a narrow brim around the sides and a large brim back and front.

    Yes the Tilley, slouch hat, panama have their uses in the heat of your summers no doubt, but a fore 'n aft might well be a consideration for spring, autumn and winter.

    A "fore 'n aft".

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    Re: tartan flat cap help

    Yes then! You are correct, the terminology was confusing at this end. The fore and aft looks marvellously acceptable (Who IS that fellow beneath it!) and the one of which I was enquiring frankly looks similar except that the brim continues about to protect the ears. Spring and Autumn, yes. Our winters require something much more substantial, I'm afraid.

    So... I've not seen such a fore 'n' aft for purchase - any leads?
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    Re: tartan flat cap help

    Well... Not going to lie - first hat making attempt did NOT go so well. One of my lines ended up about an inch too long, which is all it takes to throw things off big-time.

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