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10th April 04, 05:08 PM
#11
I always wear a simple Country Sporran. The hair and stuff is way too much for me.
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10th April 04, 06:37 PM
#12
Kilt Respect
Originally Posted by Alaskan
I think that for formal wear one should stick to the prescribed guidelines for kilt wear.
For casual I think anything goes, but one should know the rules before breaking the rules. It's one thing to break the rules because you don't agree with them or prefer a different look, it's something else to break the rules because you don't know the rules.
I think the kilt deserves respect and this respect is shown in learning the guidelines for kilt wear even if you don't follow them.
For many of us who wear kilts, comfort is what kilt wearing is all about.
I'll break any rule I don't agree with. They're not even my rules.
Kilts are garments, not costumes!
Things change. Rules change. I'm one who is changing them. Get over it.
I don't know all the rules to kilt wearing and I find it pompous and arrogant for you to say I should learn your rules, that I'm disrespectful because I haven't learned your rules.
Wear your kilt any way you want but don't start telling others how to wear theirs.
Respect the kilt? Get a grip. It's a piece of clothing. You can't respect a piece of cloth.
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10th April 04, 08:18 PM
#13
Re: Kilt Respect
Originally Posted by bear@bearkilts.com
I'll break any rule I don't agree with. They're not even my rules.
Kilts are garments, not costumes!
Things change. Rules change. I'm one who is changing them. Get over it.
I don't know all the rules to kilt wearing and I find it pompous and arrogant for you to say I should learn your rules, that I'm disrespectful because I haven't learned your rules.
Wear your kilt any way you want but don't start telling others how to wear theirs.
Respect the kilt? Get a grip. It's a piece of clothing. You can't respect a piece of cloth.
If you read my whole post and don't just focus on certain parts of it you will notice that I said that I think it is OK to break the rules, as long as you know the rules first.
I didn't say you haven't learn the rules, nor did I say that you are disrespectful for not following them. Nor are they MY rules, and I was not telling anyone how to wear their kilt.
The kilt is the national dress of Scotland, however and as such deserves some level of respect. The same way the flag of a nation deserves respect. The kilt is not just a piece of cloth, it is a symbol of Scotland.
There are rules that go with the traditional clothing of any nation. If you wear a kimono or a yukata with the right on top of the left in front of a Japanese person, they will explain to you that that is the way that people are buried and when you are alive you are supposed to wear the left on top. To disrespect this method of wearing the kimono or yukata would be disrespectful to the garment and offensive to the Japanese people.
Again, I have said that I think it is OK to break the rules for casual wear, but if you don't know the rules, that is disrespectful to the symbol of a nation.
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12th April 04, 08:18 AM
#14
Re: Sporrans
Originally Posted by phil h
Originally Posted by bear@bearkilts.com
I wear kilts as I please, without regard for past or present restrictions. That includes sporrans and any accessories I choose to add.
I prefer two matching kilt pins, one on either side of the apron. Today I wore a past and present Vancouver Canucks logo. Some days I wear silver dollars.
I wear day sporrans all the time. I didn't dress up or wear what others thought I should wear when I wore pants. I don't see why I should because I now wear kilts.
amen to that one bear. wear what you want,I wore a black leather sporran with belt(no chain) to a day wedding. then a green cammo UK to the reception. most of the scots at the wedding put on a jacobite shirt and no sporran(eve). like I have said many times before, kilts are an evolving thing, and this guy who did the "you're going to wear kilt", many say he don't have much of a clue anyway. I have even seen scots at a wedding wear matching kilt and bow-tie, I quite like the look of matching tie and kilt, but most say it's a no-no. I have seen many scots dressed like that, was one exception, a guy in a bright blue and yellow kilt and matching tie,"oh my eyes" I have also seen full attire at two daytime weddings.
may I ask The Kilted Chef, where are you going that you may need full outfit anyway?
Well Phil, I guess the only things I would ever need the "whole nine yards" for would be a wedding or a funeral. My main concern was not being too dressy for casual wear. I agree with Bear that the main reason I wear the kilt is for comfort, I'm not trying to sell the world on my views about MUG's (sorry, I had to use the word! ) And I also agree that to break the "rules" you must first have to know the rules. All that being said, wearing of the kilt is not like speaking Latin-it is a dead language and therefore unchanging-but constantly evolving, changing, and adapting to new situations. Just my humble opinion...(that and a nickle are still only worth five cents)
Larry
"A chef is someone creative enough to call the same soup a different name every day"
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12th April 04, 09:34 AM
#15
There are no rules to kilt wearing, only guidelines. Each person is different, and should wear their kilt as they chose, just so long as they wear their kilts.
Regarding sporrans, I cannot afford a full dress sporran at this time. I wear my black leather "day" sporran when I need to be more formal, and my Bear Kilts clan sporran ( http://bearkilts.com/clancrests/clansporran.jpg) for casual days out. This works just fine for me. For the record Andrew bought a "fur" sporran in Scotland a few months back and he wears it to our kiltsnights. Bear in mind that this "fur" sporran cost a whopping 50 pounds and the thing is likely made out of a local feline. You trying telling a huge 6'7" coast guard in a kilt that he is in the wrong.
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12th April 04, 10:37 AM
#16
if ur gunna break the rules, why does it matter if you know the rules or not?
also I think the hairy NOT furry sporran is good for casual.just my 2c. like I said b4,wear what you think best,and NO this aint a bear fan club,but I'd rather follow his rules than some guy who wrote a book , and probably never even been to scotland.
(not that going to scotland matters)
I even think that some of the scots who post on this board have valid points about kilt wearing,but their word should not be taken as gospel. for instance, "don't put a kilt pin thru both aprons"
why? works for me on a windy day, also works well for jumping in and out of a car all day.
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12th April 04, 12:02 PM
#17
Originally Posted by Colin
There are no rules to kilt wearing, only guidelines.
You're right Colin, guidelines is a much better word!
Larry
"A chef is someone creative enough to call the same soup a different name every day"
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12th April 04, 12:48 PM
#18
The only "rule" that really matters is what looks and feels good to you. We all have our opinions, I think a tartan tie with a tartan kilt looks odd. Far too much. That's my opinion and others will disagree. That's fine. Rules only matter in formal attire and pipe bands.
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12th April 04, 03:39 PM
#19
whoa phil
PHIL that's fighting talk, so can I be on your side, , oh I haven't written a book but I have been to Scotland so I 'm an expert
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12th April 04, 04:02 PM
#20
Originally Posted by phil h
if ur gunna break the rules, why does it matter if you know the rules or not?
Breaking the guidelines because you disagree with them, or feel more comfortable in attire that doesn't follow them... that is independance and individuality.
Not learning the guidelines and showing no interest in them is disrespect to a symbol of a nation.
Being independant is ok, being disrespectful is not.
Contrary to some people's belief, the kilt is NOT just a piece of cloth. It represents a nation and it's people. No, you shouldn't have to be Scottish to wear one, but you should respect them.
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