Black tie and white tie for kilts?

[Father Bill]

Ah Richard; I notice that the white tie came early in life and the white whiskers later! Your bride is beaming beautifully in that picture. Lovely lady!

[CMcG]

...Googling it, I've had mixed accounts of what can be worn for black tie and white tie, including some statements that white tie for a kilt truly does not exist. Some even say the Prince Charlie, which to me looks to be a tuxedo if there ever was one, is actually casual and to look for a doublet.
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White tie for kilts isn't as codified as it is for trousers, but it certainly exists. This is complicated by the fact that some white tie Highland balls allow people to wear black tie. When in doubt, consult the invitation, photos of previous events, and/or your host for clarification.

Neither a Prince Charlie nor a tuxedo have ever been casual attire. Some might say, black tie (i.e., dinner jacket, PC) is semi-formal, while white tie is full formal and a suit is informal... casual would be sort of a non-code because of the wide variation. Dress codes have evolved and vary by location, culture, and society, but both the PC and tux are still formal jackets.

...Are there any official sources on where I can look into what I'd need to assemble these outfits?

While not official, you may find the guide that @Nathan and I produced helpful:
Traditional Highland Civilian Dress: A Definition and Guide with Visual Examples

[Dileasgubas]

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Since I belong to a kilted masonic lodge, perhaps these photos may help. These were taken prior to attending emergent (less formal) lodge meetings.

The first photo is for an emergent meeting that called for "business suit". I am wearing a tweed jacket acquired from a fellow XMarker, brown brogues and leather purse, striped shirt and tie. Looking back, I didn't particularly like the look of the striped shirt but it was what came to hand that day. Of all the above "outfits", I tend to wear the tweed jacket the most. The kilt is a Macdonnell of Glengarry large sett 8 yd from Strathmore Woollens.

In the second photo I wore an Argyll without vest, leather purse, white shirt and highland brigade tie, plain hose and a brass buckled belt. The kilt is a five-yd casual wool kilt from Burnett's and Struth acquired from a fellow XMarker. I am not sure if that is the proper use of an Argyll but it works well in lodge where they tend to dress conservatively. The leather purse is from Freedom Kilts - I tend to wear it a lot since it looks nice dressed up.

For many lodge functions, however, the PC with formal shirt and black tie is de rigueur. Grand Lodge officers in our jurisdiction tend to wear white tie for formal functions but I have yet to see anyone in jabot and cuffs. I am hoping that someone will eventually change that.

Hope this helps.

[sailortats]

Sorry but I cannot see the pictures

[Highwayman]

To confirm, are some of you saying that a 'Saxon jacket', as in just an off-the-rack jacket from my closet, can be worn with a kilt? I own two tweed coats, a dozen or so sport jackets, both dinner jacket and my new tail coat, etc. Which of these would be usable with a tartan kilt?

[CMcG]

To confirm, are some of you saying that a 'Saxon jacket', as in just an off-the-rack jacket from my closet, can be worn with a kilt? I own two tweed coats, a dozen or so sport jackets, both dinner jacket and my new tail coat, etc. Which of these would be usable with a tartan kilt?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that. The problem is that a regular, non-kilt suit jacket, sport coat, tuxedo etc is too long (covers your pleats) and would not have a cutaway for the sporran in the front. Any of the jackets you ymentioned could be altered, however, to work with a kilt...

[California Highlander]

To confirm, are some of you saying that a 'Saxon jacket', as in just an off-the-rack jacket from my closet, can be worn with a kilt? I own two tweed coats, a dozen or so sport jackets, both dinner jacket and my new tail coat, etc. Which of these would be usable with a tartan kilt?

I think that the suggestion is that some formal jackets are shorter length and work with a kilt. Spencer/Eton and mess jackets. A saxon style sport coat in any fabric or cut is generally too long.

[tpa]

Whatever the official rules are, I wore a white tie at my wedding.

I did something similar. Apologies for quality of the picture, it is a photo of a slide.

[Father Bill]

I don't think the jabot is quite white tie, but they are indeed considered by many to be equivalents.

You still don't outshine your beautiful bride.

[tpa]

You still don't outshine your beautiful bride.

God forbid! She obviously did not think so, it was her choice.